How to prove that $(AB)^t = B^tA^t$
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The proof given in my book (and I came up with as well) is:
However, the part that throws me off is line #3 where they do $Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$
I understand that multiplication of real numbers is commutative and you can do the last step. However, you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
What am I missing here?
linear-algebra matrices transpose
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The proof given in my book (and I came up with as well) is:
However, the part that throws me off is line #3 where they do $Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$
I understand that multiplication of real numbers is commutative and you can do the last step. However, you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
What am I missing here?
linear-algebra matrices transpose
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$Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$ is just the commutative property of multiplication.
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– John Douma
Jan 17 at 18:12
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I agree, but I could not have done that step and then reached the conclusion that (AB)^t = B^tA^t, no?
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– Always Learning Forever
Jan 17 at 18:13
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The proof given in my book (and I came up with as well) is:
However, the part that throws me off is line #3 where they do $Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$
I understand that multiplication of real numbers is commutative and you can do the last step. However, you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
What am I missing here?
linear-algebra matrices transpose
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The proof given in my book (and I came up with as well) is:
However, the part that throws me off is line #3 where they do $Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$
I understand that multiplication of real numbers is commutative and you can do the last step. However, you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
What am I missing here?
linear-algebra matrices transpose
linear-algebra matrices transpose
edited Jan 17 at 18:14
José Carlos Santos
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asked Jan 17 at 18:09
Always Learning ForeverAlways Learning Forever
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$Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$ is just the commutative property of multiplication.
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– John Douma
Jan 17 at 18:12
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I agree, but I could not have done that step and then reached the conclusion that (AB)^t = B^tA^t, no?
$endgroup$
– Always Learning Forever
Jan 17 at 18:13
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$ is just the commutative property of multiplication.
$endgroup$
– John Douma
Jan 17 at 18:12
$begingroup$
I agree, but I could not have done that step and then reached the conclusion that (AB)^t = B^tA^t, no?
$endgroup$
– Always Learning Forever
Jan 17 at 18:13
$begingroup$
$Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$ is just the commutative property of multiplication.
$endgroup$
– John Douma
Jan 17 at 18:12
$begingroup$
$Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$ is just the commutative property of multiplication.
$endgroup$
– John Douma
Jan 17 at 18:12
$begingroup$
I agree, but I could not have done that step and then reached the conclusion that (AB)^t = B^tA^t, no?
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– Always Learning Forever
Jan 17 at 18:13
$begingroup$
I agree, but I could not have done that step and then reached the conclusion that (AB)^t = B^tA^t, no?
$endgroup$
– Always Learning Forever
Jan 17 at 18:13
add a comment |
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What you have is that the $(i,j)$-th element of $C^t$ is
$$ sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} $$
where $A_{jk}$ is the $(j,k)$-th element of $A$ and $B_{ki}$ is the $(k,i)$-th element of $B$
Then because of the commutativity of the multiplication of the underlying field, you get that $A_{jk}B_{ki} = B_{ki}A_{jk}$, since both $A_{jk}$ and $B_{ki}$ are just elements of your field. Then you get in total:
$$ begin{split}
sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} &= A_{j1}B_{1i} + A_{j2}B_{2i} + dots \
&= B_{1i} A_{j1} + B_{2i} A_{j2} + dots \
&= sum_k B_{ki} A_{jk}
end{split}$$
EDIT:
you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the
two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
No, the textbooks wants to show that $(AB)^t = B^t A^t$. Because generally speaking $(AB)^t neq A^t B^t$. Example:
$$left(
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
right)^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
But
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
And as José Carlos Santos already pointed out, $sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki}$ is not the $(i,j)$-th entry of $A^tB^t$, but as your textbooks shows, it is the $(i,j)$-th entry of $B^tA^t$
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Wrong. The $ij$ entry of the matrix $A^tB^t$ is $sum_kA_{kj}B_{ik}$, not $sum_kA_{jk}B_{ki}$.
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I think you want to write entry $ij$.
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– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
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I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
add a comment |
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You are not missing much, just the fact that by convention we usually write
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k A_{ik}B_{kj}$$
and not (although equivalent)
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k B_{kj}A_{ik}$$
because in the first case “ikkj becoms ij”
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add a comment |
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What they want to make clear in line 3 is, that when you want to calculate the entry $ij$ of the transposed matrix, you can sum over the $i$-th column of $B$ and $j$-th row of $A$. So this is the same when you sum over the $i$-th row of $B^T$ and the $j$-th column of $A^T$. And that's what they do in the next line.
Again, this is the calculation:
$$(AB)^T_{ij}=(AB)_{ji}=sum_{k=1}^n A_{jk} B_{ki}=sum_{k=1}^n B_{ki}A_{jk}=sum_{k=1}^n B^T_{ik}A^T_{kj}=(B^TA^T)_{ij}$$
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What you have is that the $(i,j)$-th element of $C^t$ is
$$ sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} $$
where $A_{jk}$ is the $(j,k)$-th element of $A$ and $B_{ki}$ is the $(k,i)$-th element of $B$
Then because of the commutativity of the multiplication of the underlying field, you get that $A_{jk}B_{ki} = B_{ki}A_{jk}$, since both $A_{jk}$ and $B_{ki}$ are just elements of your field. Then you get in total:
$$ begin{split}
sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} &= A_{j1}B_{1i} + A_{j2}B_{2i} + dots \
&= B_{1i} A_{j1} + B_{2i} A_{j2} + dots \
&= sum_k B_{ki} A_{jk}
end{split}$$
EDIT:
you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the
two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
No, the textbooks wants to show that $(AB)^t = B^t A^t$. Because generally speaking $(AB)^t neq A^t B^t$. Example:
$$left(
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
right)^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
But
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
And as José Carlos Santos already pointed out, $sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki}$ is not the $(i,j)$-th entry of $A^tB^t$, but as your textbooks shows, it is the $(i,j)$-th entry of $B^tA^t$
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
What you have is that the $(i,j)$-th element of $C^t$ is
$$ sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} $$
where $A_{jk}$ is the $(j,k)$-th element of $A$ and $B_{ki}$ is the $(k,i)$-th element of $B$
Then because of the commutativity of the multiplication of the underlying field, you get that $A_{jk}B_{ki} = B_{ki}A_{jk}$, since both $A_{jk}$ and $B_{ki}$ are just elements of your field. Then you get in total:
$$ begin{split}
sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} &= A_{j1}B_{1i} + A_{j2}B_{2i} + dots \
&= B_{1i} A_{j1} + B_{2i} A_{j2} + dots \
&= sum_k B_{ki} A_{jk}
end{split}$$
EDIT:
you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the
two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
No, the textbooks wants to show that $(AB)^t = B^t A^t$. Because generally speaking $(AB)^t neq A^t B^t$. Example:
$$left(
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
right)^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
But
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
And as José Carlos Santos already pointed out, $sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki}$ is not the $(i,j)$-th entry of $A^tB^t$, but as your textbooks shows, it is the $(i,j)$-th entry of $B^tA^t$
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
What you have is that the $(i,j)$-th element of $C^t$ is
$$ sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} $$
where $A_{jk}$ is the $(j,k)$-th element of $A$ and $B_{ki}$ is the $(k,i)$-th element of $B$
Then because of the commutativity of the multiplication of the underlying field, you get that $A_{jk}B_{ki} = B_{ki}A_{jk}$, since both $A_{jk}$ and $B_{ki}$ are just elements of your field. Then you get in total:
$$ begin{split}
sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} &= A_{j1}B_{1i} + A_{j2}B_{2i} + dots \
&= B_{1i} A_{j1} + B_{2i} A_{j2} + dots \
&= sum_k B_{ki} A_{jk}
end{split}$$
EDIT:
you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the
two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
No, the textbooks wants to show that $(AB)^t = B^t A^t$. Because generally speaking $(AB)^t neq A^t B^t$. Example:
$$left(
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
right)^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
But
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
And as José Carlos Santos already pointed out, $sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki}$ is not the $(i,j)$-th entry of $A^tB^t$, but as your textbooks shows, it is the $(i,j)$-th entry of $B^tA^t$
$endgroup$
What you have is that the $(i,j)$-th element of $C^t$ is
$$ sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} $$
where $A_{jk}$ is the $(j,k)$-th element of $A$ and $B_{ki}$ is the $(k,i)$-th element of $B$
Then because of the commutativity of the multiplication of the underlying field, you get that $A_{jk}B_{ki} = B_{ki}A_{jk}$, since both $A_{jk}$ and $B_{ki}$ are just elements of your field. Then you get in total:
$$ begin{split}
sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki} &= A_{j1}B_{1i} + A_{j2}B_{2i} + dots \
&= B_{1i} A_{j1} + B_{2i} A_{j2} + dots \
&= sum_k B_{ki} A_{jk}
end{split}$$
EDIT:
you could've just as easily left the expression without swapping the
two and arrived at the expression: $(AB)^t = A^tB^t$, right?
No, the textbooks wants to show that $(AB)^t = B^t A^t$. Because generally speaking $(AB)^t neq A^t B^t$. Example:
$$left(
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
right)^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
But
$$
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 1 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}^t
=
begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
1 & 0
end{bmatrix}
=
begin{bmatrix}
0 & 0 \
0 & 0
end{bmatrix}
$$
And as José Carlos Santos already pointed out, $sum_k A_{jk}B_{ki}$ is not the $(i,j)$-th entry of $A^tB^t$, but as your textbooks shows, it is the $(i,j)$-th entry of $B^tA^t$
edited Jan 17 at 18:44
answered Jan 17 at 18:25
user635162
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Wrong. The $ij$ entry of the matrix $A^tB^t$ is $sum_kA_{kj}B_{ik}$, not $sum_kA_{jk}B_{ki}$.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I think you want to write entry $ij$.
$endgroup$
– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
$begingroup$
I've edited my answer. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Wrong. The $ij$ entry of the matrix $A^tB^t$ is $sum_kA_{kj}B_{ik}$, not $sum_kA_{jk}B_{ki}$.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I think you want to write entry $ij$.
$endgroup$
– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
$begingroup$
I've edited my answer. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Wrong. The $ij$ entry of the matrix $A^tB^t$ is $sum_kA_{kj}B_{ik}$, not $sum_kA_{jk}B_{ki}$.
$endgroup$
Wrong. The $ij$ entry of the matrix $A^tB^t$ is $sum_kA_{kj}B_{ik}$, not $sum_kA_{jk}B_{ki}$.
edited Jan 17 at 18:36
answered Jan 17 at 18:14
José Carlos SantosJosé Carlos Santos
175k24134243
175k24134243
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I think you want to write entry $ij$.
$endgroup$
– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
$begingroup$
I've edited my answer. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think you want to write entry $ij$.
$endgroup$
– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
$begingroup$
I've edited my answer. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
$begingroup$
I think you want to write entry $ij$.
$endgroup$
– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
$begingroup$
I think you want to write entry $ij$.
$endgroup$
– user408858
Jan 17 at 18:33
$begingroup$
I've edited my answer. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
$begingroup$
I've edited my answer. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
Jan 17 at 18:36
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are not missing much, just the fact that by convention we usually write
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k A_{ik}B_{kj}$$
and not (although equivalent)
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k B_{kj}A_{ik}$$
because in the first case “ikkj becoms ij”
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are not missing much, just the fact that by convention we usually write
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k A_{ik}B_{kj}$$
and not (although equivalent)
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k B_{kj}A_{ik}$$
because in the first case “ikkj becoms ij”
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You are not missing much, just the fact that by convention we usually write
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k A_{ik}B_{kj}$$
and not (although equivalent)
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k B_{kj}A_{ik}$$
because in the first case “ikkj becoms ij”
$endgroup$
You are not missing much, just the fact that by convention we usually write
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k A_{ik}B_{kj}$$
and not (although equivalent)
$$(AB)_{ij}=sum_k B_{kj}A_{ik}$$
because in the first case “ikkj becoms ij”
answered Jan 17 at 18:16
b00n heTb00n heT
10.5k12335
10.5k12335
add a comment |
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What they want to make clear in line 3 is, that when you want to calculate the entry $ij$ of the transposed matrix, you can sum over the $i$-th column of $B$ and $j$-th row of $A$. So this is the same when you sum over the $i$-th row of $B^T$ and the $j$-th column of $A^T$. And that's what they do in the next line.
Again, this is the calculation:
$$(AB)^T_{ij}=(AB)_{ji}=sum_{k=1}^n A_{jk} B_{ki}=sum_{k=1}^n B_{ki}A_{jk}=sum_{k=1}^n B^T_{ik}A^T_{kj}=(B^TA^T)_{ij}$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What they want to make clear in line 3 is, that when you want to calculate the entry $ij$ of the transposed matrix, you can sum over the $i$-th column of $B$ and $j$-th row of $A$. So this is the same when you sum over the $i$-th row of $B^T$ and the $j$-th column of $A^T$. And that's what they do in the next line.
Again, this is the calculation:
$$(AB)^T_{ij}=(AB)_{ji}=sum_{k=1}^n A_{jk} B_{ki}=sum_{k=1}^n B_{ki}A_{jk}=sum_{k=1}^n B^T_{ik}A^T_{kj}=(B^TA^T)_{ij}$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What they want to make clear in line 3 is, that when you want to calculate the entry $ij$ of the transposed matrix, you can sum over the $i$-th column of $B$ and $j$-th row of $A$. So this is the same when you sum over the $i$-th row of $B^T$ and the $j$-th column of $A^T$. And that's what they do in the next line.
Again, this is the calculation:
$$(AB)^T_{ij}=(AB)_{ji}=sum_{k=1}^n A_{jk} B_{ki}=sum_{k=1}^n B_{ki}A_{jk}=sum_{k=1}^n B^T_{ik}A^T_{kj}=(B^TA^T)_{ij}$$
$endgroup$
What they want to make clear in line 3 is, that when you want to calculate the entry $ij$ of the transposed matrix, you can sum over the $i$-th column of $B$ and $j$-th row of $A$. So this is the same when you sum over the $i$-th row of $B^T$ and the $j$-th column of $A^T$. And that's what they do in the next line.
Again, this is the calculation:
$$(AB)^T_{ij}=(AB)_{ji}=sum_{k=1}^n A_{jk} B_{ki}=sum_{k=1}^n B_{ki}A_{jk}=sum_{k=1}^n B^T_{ik}A^T_{kj}=(B^TA^T)_{ij}$$
edited Jan 17 at 18:29
answered Jan 17 at 18:19
user408858user408858
479213
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$Sigma A_{jk} B_{ki} = Sigma B_{ki} A_{jk}$ is just the commutative property of multiplication.
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– John Douma
Jan 17 at 18:12
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I agree, but I could not have done that step and then reached the conclusion that (AB)^t = B^tA^t, no?
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– Always Learning Forever
Jan 17 at 18:13