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This question is quite specific, so apologies in advance. I don't have a clue of how to approach this. Answers and links to more general versions of this will also be very welcomed.



Let $F$ be a field and $A = F[x,y,z]$. $J=langle xy-z^2 rangle$ is an ideal in $A$. Denote $R=A/J$, and let $I=langle x+J, y+J rangle =langle x+J rangle + langle y+J rangle $ be an ideal in $R$.



I need to prove that $R/I cong F[w]$.










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    I don’t see how this could be true. This is equivalent to taking $F[x,y,z]/K$, where $K$ is generated by $x$, $y$, and $xy-z^2$, which is the same as the ideal generated by $x$, $y$, and $z^2$. But in this quotient, $z+Kneq 0$, since $znotin K$, but $(z+K)^2 = 0$, But $F[w]$ has no nonzero nilpotent elements. When you say you “need to prove it”, does that mean you were told it was true, or does it mean you really, really, really want it to be true, but don’t know if it is?
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    @Servaes: Sigh, fine. “If that is what you were told, then what you were told is incorrect.” (As opposed to what he heard/understood/deduced being incorrect). Happy now? ;-)
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This question is quite specific, so apologies in advance. I don't have a clue of how to approach this. Answers and links to more general versions of this will also be very welcomed.



Let $F$ be a field and $A = F[x,y,z]$. $J=langle xy-z^2 rangle$ is an ideal in $A$. Denote $R=A/J$, and let $I=langle x+J, y+J rangle =langle x+J rangle + langle y+J rangle $ be an ideal in $R$.



I need to prove that $R/I cong F[w]$.










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    What is $w$ supposed to be?
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    $w$ is just another element added to $F$, just like $x,y,z$. I assume another letter is used so it won't be confusing
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    This isn't true, if $F[w]$ is supposed to denote a polynomial ring.
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    I don’t see how this could be true. This is equivalent to taking $F[x,y,z]/K$, where $K$ is generated by $x$, $y$, and $xy-z^2$, which is the same as the ideal generated by $x$, $y$, and $z^2$. But in this quotient, $z+Kneq 0$, since $znotin K$, but $(z+K)^2 = 0$, But $F[w]$ has no nonzero nilpotent elements. When you say you “need to prove it”, does that mean you were told it was true, or does it mean you really, really, really want it to be true, but don’t know if it is?
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    @Servaes: Sigh, fine. “If that is what you were told, then what you were told is incorrect.” (As opposed to what he heard/understood/deduced being incorrect). Happy now? ;-)
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This question is quite specific, so apologies in advance. I don't have a clue of how to approach this. Answers and links to more general versions of this will also be very welcomed.



Let $F$ be a field and $A = F[x,y,z]$. $J=langle xy-z^2 rangle$ is an ideal in $A$. Denote $R=A/J$, and let $I=langle x+J, y+J rangle =langle x+J rangle + langle y+J rangle $ be an ideal in $R$.



I need to prove that $R/I cong F[w]$.










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This question is quite specific, so apologies in advance. I don't have a clue of how to approach this. Answers and links to more general versions of this will also be very welcomed.



Let $F$ be a field and $A = F[x,y,z]$. $J=langle xy-z^2 rangle$ is an ideal in $A$. Denote $R=A/J$, and let $I=langle x+J, y+J rangle =langle x+J rangle + langle y+J rangle $ be an ideal in $R$.



I need to prove that $R/I cong F[w]$.







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    $w$ is just another element added to $F$, just like $x,y,z$. I assume another letter is used so it won't be confusing
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    This isn't true, if $F[w]$ is supposed to denote a polynomial ring.
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    – Eric Wofsey
    Jan 17 at 20:31






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    I don’t see how this could be true. This is equivalent to taking $F[x,y,z]/K$, where $K$ is generated by $x$, $y$, and $xy-z^2$, which is the same as the ideal generated by $x$, $y$, and $z^2$. But in this quotient, $z+Kneq 0$, since $znotin K$, but $(z+K)^2 = 0$, But $F[w]$ has no nonzero nilpotent elements. When you say you “need to prove it”, does that mean you were told it was true, or does it mean you really, really, really want it to be true, but don’t know if it is?
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    @Servaes: Sigh, fine. “If that is what you were told, then what you were told is incorrect.” (As opposed to what he heard/understood/deduced being incorrect). Happy now? ;-)
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    $w$ is just another element added to $F$, just like $x,y,z$. I assume another letter is used so it won't be confusing
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    Jan 17 at 20:27






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    This isn't true, if $F[w]$ is supposed to denote a polynomial ring.
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    – Eric Wofsey
    Jan 17 at 20:31






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    I don’t see how this could be true. This is equivalent to taking $F[x,y,z]/K$, where $K$ is generated by $x$, $y$, and $xy-z^2$, which is the same as the ideal generated by $x$, $y$, and $z^2$. But in this quotient, $z+Kneq 0$, since $znotin K$, but $(z+K)^2 = 0$, But $F[w]$ has no nonzero nilpotent elements. When you say you “need to prove it”, does that mean you were told it was true, or does it mean you really, really, really want it to be true, but don’t know if it is?
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$w$ is just another element added to $F$, just like $x,y,z$. I assume another letter is used so it won't be confusing
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I don’t see how this could be true. This is equivalent to taking $F[x,y,z]/K$, where $K$ is generated by $x$, $y$, and $xy-z^2$, which is the same as the ideal generated by $x$, $y$, and $z^2$. But in this quotient, $z+Kneq 0$, since $znotin K$, but $(z+K)^2 = 0$, But $F[w]$ has no nonzero nilpotent elements. When you say you “need to prove it”, does that mean you were told it was true, or does it mean you really, really, really want it to be true, but don’t know if it is?
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@Servaes: Sigh, fine. “If that is what you were told, then what you were told is incorrect.” (As opposed to what he heard/understood/deduced being incorrect). Happy now? ;-)
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By basic commutative algebra there are canonical isomorphisms
$$(A/langle xy-z^2rangle)/langle x+J,y+Jranglecong A/langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=A/langle x,y,z^2ranglecong F[z]/langle z^2rangle,$$
where the middle identity comes frome the simple fact that $langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=langle x,y,z^2rangle$. It is not hard to prove (exercise for you?) that for any field $F$ you have
$$F[z]/langle z^2ranglenotcong F[w].$$
In particular, what you are asked to prove is false.






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    Assuming you meant $I = langle x + J, z + Jrangle $:



    There’s a bijection between $I subseteq A / J$ and $J subseteq I’ subseteq A$ given by $pi:A to A / J$, $x mapsto x + J$, which gives $pi (I’) = I$.
    We can verify that $pi (xA + zA) = I$, that is



    $$I = I’ / J = (xA + zA) / J$$



    By the Third Isomorphism Theorem we have



    $$R/I = A/J/I = (A/J)/(A/I’) simeq A /I’ = A/(xA+zA)$$



    Finally, we can construct an isomorphism (“cancel out x and z”) and see that
    $$A/(xA+zA) = F[x, y, z] / (xF[x, y, z] + zF[x, y, z]) simeq F[w]$$



    Thus $R/I simeq F[w]$.






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    Let's try and clear up things before starting. If $tilde{x}=x+J$, $tilde{y}=y+J$ and $tilde{z}=z+J$ as elements of $R=A/J$, then all three elements are nonzero (easy degree considerations); however, $tilde{z}^2=0+Jin I=langletilde{x},tilde{y}rangle$. Hence $I$ is not a prime ideal. Thus the request to prove that $R/Icong F[w]$ should be interpreted in the sense




    prove that $R/I$ is generated by a single element as an $F$-algebra.




    It is not possible that $w$ is an indeterminate over $F$, because $R/I$ is not a domain.





    Let $A$ be a ring with an ideal $J$. If $R=A/J$ and $I$ is an ideal of $R$, there is a unique ideal $I'$ of $A$ such that $Jsubseteq I'$ and $I=I'/J$.



    Also, $R/Icong A/I'$.



    What's $I'$ in your case? It is simply $langle x,yrangle+J$ (prove it).



    Therefore the ring $A/I'$ is generated, as an $F$-algebra, by a single element, namely the image of $z$.






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      By basic commutative algebra there are canonical isomorphisms
      $$(A/langle xy-z^2rangle)/langle x+J,y+Jranglecong A/langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=A/langle x,y,z^2ranglecong F[z]/langle z^2rangle,$$
      where the middle identity comes frome the simple fact that $langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=langle x,y,z^2rangle$. It is not hard to prove (exercise for you?) that for any field $F$ you have
      $$F[z]/langle z^2ranglenotcong F[w].$$
      In particular, what you are asked to prove is false.






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        By basic commutative algebra there are canonical isomorphisms
        $$(A/langle xy-z^2rangle)/langle x+J,y+Jranglecong A/langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=A/langle x,y,z^2ranglecong F[z]/langle z^2rangle,$$
        where the middle identity comes frome the simple fact that $langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=langle x,y,z^2rangle$. It is not hard to prove (exercise for you?) that for any field $F$ you have
        $$F[z]/langle z^2ranglenotcong F[w].$$
        In particular, what you are asked to prove is false.






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          By basic commutative algebra there are canonical isomorphisms
          $$(A/langle xy-z^2rangle)/langle x+J,y+Jranglecong A/langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=A/langle x,y,z^2ranglecong F[z]/langle z^2rangle,$$
          where the middle identity comes frome the simple fact that $langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=langle x,y,z^2rangle$. It is not hard to prove (exercise for you?) that for any field $F$ you have
          $$F[z]/langle z^2ranglenotcong F[w].$$
          In particular, what you are asked to prove is false.






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          By basic commutative algebra there are canonical isomorphisms
          $$(A/langle xy-z^2rangle)/langle x+J,y+Jranglecong A/langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=A/langle x,y,z^2ranglecong F[z]/langle z^2rangle,$$
          where the middle identity comes frome the simple fact that $langle x,y,xy-z^2rangle=langle x,y,z^2rangle$. It is not hard to prove (exercise for you?) that for any field $F$ you have
          $$F[z]/langle z^2ranglenotcong F[w].$$
          In particular, what you are asked to prove is false.







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              Assuming you meant $I = langle x + J, z + Jrangle $:



              There’s a bijection between $I subseteq A / J$ and $J subseteq I’ subseteq A$ given by $pi:A to A / J$, $x mapsto x + J$, which gives $pi (I’) = I$.
              We can verify that $pi (xA + zA) = I$, that is



              $$I = I’ / J = (xA + zA) / J$$



              By the Third Isomorphism Theorem we have



              $$R/I = A/J/I = (A/J)/(A/I’) simeq A /I’ = A/(xA+zA)$$



              Finally, we can construct an isomorphism (“cancel out x and z”) and see that
              $$A/(xA+zA) = F[x, y, z] / (xF[x, y, z] + zF[x, y, z]) simeq F[w]$$



              Thus $R/I simeq F[w]$.






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                This is actually a decent guess at what the assigner may have meant...
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                Use langle and rangle, not < and >. The former are delimiters, the latter is a binary operator; they get different spacing assigned by TeX and MathJax.
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              Assuming you meant $I = langle x + J, z + Jrangle $:



              There’s a bijection between $I subseteq A / J$ and $J subseteq I’ subseteq A$ given by $pi:A to A / J$, $x mapsto x + J$, which gives $pi (I’) = I$.
              We can verify that $pi (xA + zA) = I$, that is



              $$I = I’ / J = (xA + zA) / J$$



              By the Third Isomorphism Theorem we have



              $$R/I = A/J/I = (A/J)/(A/I’) simeq A /I’ = A/(xA+zA)$$



              Finally, we can construct an isomorphism (“cancel out x and z”) and see that
              $$A/(xA+zA) = F[x, y, z] / (xF[x, y, z] + zF[x, y, z]) simeq F[w]$$



              Thus $R/I simeq F[w]$.






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              • $begingroup$
                This is actually a decent guess at what the assigner may have meant...
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              • $begingroup$
                Use langle and rangle, not < and >. The former are delimiters, the latter is a binary operator; they get different spacing assigned by TeX and MathJax.
                $endgroup$
                – Arturo Magidin
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                Noted, thank you!
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                Jan 18 at 18:23














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              $begingroup$

              Assuming you meant $I = langle x + J, z + Jrangle $:



              There’s a bijection between $I subseteq A / J$ and $J subseteq I’ subseteq A$ given by $pi:A to A / J$, $x mapsto x + J$, which gives $pi (I’) = I$.
              We can verify that $pi (xA + zA) = I$, that is



              $$I = I’ / J = (xA + zA) / J$$



              By the Third Isomorphism Theorem we have



              $$R/I = A/J/I = (A/J)/(A/I’) simeq A /I’ = A/(xA+zA)$$



              Finally, we can construct an isomorphism (“cancel out x and z”) and see that
              $$A/(xA+zA) = F[x, y, z] / (xF[x, y, z] + zF[x, y, z]) simeq F[w]$$



              Thus $R/I simeq F[w]$.






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              Assuming you meant $I = langle x + J, z + Jrangle $:



              There’s a bijection between $I subseteq A / J$ and $J subseteq I’ subseteq A$ given by $pi:A to A / J$, $x mapsto x + J$, which gives $pi (I’) = I$.
              We can verify that $pi (xA + zA) = I$, that is



              $$I = I’ / J = (xA + zA) / J$$



              By the Third Isomorphism Theorem we have



              $$R/I = A/J/I = (A/J)/(A/I’) simeq A /I’ = A/(xA+zA)$$



              Finally, we can construct an isomorphism (“cancel out x and z”) and see that
              $$A/(xA+zA) = F[x, y, z] / (xF[x, y, z] + zF[x, y, z]) simeq F[w]$$



              Thus $R/I simeq F[w]$.







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                Use langle and rangle, not < and >. The former are delimiters, the latter is a binary operator; they get different spacing assigned by TeX and MathJax.
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                Noted, thank you!
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              • $begingroup$
                This is actually a decent guess at what the assigner may have meant...
                $endgroup$
                – Arturo Magidin
                Jan 18 at 18:02










              • $begingroup$
                Use langle and rangle, not < and >. The former are delimiters, the latter is a binary operator; they get different spacing assigned by TeX and MathJax.
                $endgroup$
                – Arturo Magidin
                Jan 18 at 18:02










              • $begingroup$
                Noted, thank you!
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                Jan 18 at 18:23
















              $begingroup$
              This is actually a decent guess at what the assigner may have meant...
              $endgroup$
              – Arturo Magidin
              Jan 18 at 18:02




              $begingroup$
              This is actually a decent guess at what the assigner may have meant...
              $endgroup$
              – Arturo Magidin
              Jan 18 at 18:02












              $begingroup$
              Use langle and rangle, not < and >. The former are delimiters, the latter is a binary operator; they get different spacing assigned by TeX and MathJax.
              $endgroup$
              – Arturo Magidin
              Jan 18 at 18:02




              $begingroup$
              Use langle and rangle, not < and >. The former are delimiters, the latter is a binary operator; they get different spacing assigned by TeX and MathJax.
              $endgroup$
              – Arturo Magidin
              Jan 18 at 18:02












              $begingroup$
              Noted, thank you!
              $endgroup$
              – Trouble
              Jan 18 at 18:23




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              Let's try and clear up things before starting. If $tilde{x}=x+J$, $tilde{y}=y+J$ and $tilde{z}=z+J$ as elements of $R=A/J$, then all three elements are nonzero (easy degree considerations); however, $tilde{z}^2=0+Jin I=langletilde{x},tilde{y}rangle$. Hence $I$ is not a prime ideal. Thus the request to prove that $R/Icong F[w]$ should be interpreted in the sense




              prove that $R/I$ is generated by a single element as an $F$-algebra.




              It is not possible that $w$ is an indeterminate over $F$, because $R/I$ is not a domain.





              Let $A$ be a ring with an ideal $J$. If $R=A/J$ and $I$ is an ideal of $R$, there is a unique ideal $I'$ of $A$ such that $Jsubseteq I'$ and $I=I'/J$.



              Also, $R/Icong A/I'$.



              What's $I'$ in your case? It is simply $langle x,yrangle+J$ (prove it).



              Therefore the ring $A/I'$ is generated, as an $F$-algebra, by a single element, namely the image of $z$.






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                Let's try and clear up things before starting. If $tilde{x}=x+J$, $tilde{y}=y+J$ and $tilde{z}=z+J$ as elements of $R=A/J$, then all three elements are nonzero (easy degree considerations); however, $tilde{z}^2=0+Jin I=langletilde{x},tilde{y}rangle$. Hence $I$ is not a prime ideal. Thus the request to prove that $R/Icong F[w]$ should be interpreted in the sense




                prove that $R/I$ is generated by a single element as an $F$-algebra.




                It is not possible that $w$ is an indeterminate over $F$, because $R/I$ is not a domain.





                Let $A$ be a ring with an ideal $J$. If $R=A/J$ and $I$ is an ideal of $R$, there is a unique ideal $I'$ of $A$ such that $Jsubseteq I'$ and $I=I'/J$.



                Also, $R/Icong A/I'$.



                What's $I'$ in your case? It is simply $langle x,yrangle+J$ (prove it).



                Therefore the ring $A/I'$ is generated, as an $F$-algebra, by a single element, namely the image of $z$.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                  $begingroup$

                  Let's try and clear up things before starting. If $tilde{x}=x+J$, $tilde{y}=y+J$ and $tilde{z}=z+J$ as elements of $R=A/J$, then all three elements are nonzero (easy degree considerations); however, $tilde{z}^2=0+Jin I=langletilde{x},tilde{y}rangle$. Hence $I$ is not a prime ideal. Thus the request to prove that $R/Icong F[w]$ should be interpreted in the sense




                  prove that $R/I$ is generated by a single element as an $F$-algebra.




                  It is not possible that $w$ is an indeterminate over $F$, because $R/I$ is not a domain.





                  Let $A$ be a ring with an ideal $J$. If $R=A/J$ and $I$ is an ideal of $R$, there is a unique ideal $I'$ of $A$ such that $Jsubseteq I'$ and $I=I'/J$.



                  Also, $R/Icong A/I'$.



                  What's $I'$ in your case? It is simply $langle x,yrangle+J$ (prove it).



                  Therefore the ring $A/I'$ is generated, as an $F$-algebra, by a single element, namely the image of $z$.






                  share|cite|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$



                  Let's try and clear up things before starting. If $tilde{x}=x+J$, $tilde{y}=y+J$ and $tilde{z}=z+J$ as elements of $R=A/J$, then all three elements are nonzero (easy degree considerations); however, $tilde{z}^2=0+Jin I=langletilde{x},tilde{y}rangle$. Hence $I$ is not a prime ideal. Thus the request to prove that $R/Icong F[w]$ should be interpreted in the sense




                  prove that $R/I$ is generated by a single element as an $F$-algebra.




                  It is not possible that $w$ is an indeterminate over $F$, because $R/I$ is not a domain.





                  Let $A$ be a ring with an ideal $J$. If $R=A/J$ and $I$ is an ideal of $R$, there is a unique ideal $I'$ of $A$ such that $Jsubseteq I'$ and $I=I'/J$.



                  Also, $R/Icong A/I'$.



                  What's $I'$ in your case? It is simply $langle x,yrangle+J$ (prove it).



                  Therefore the ring $A/I'$ is generated, as an $F$-algebra, by a single element, namely the image of $z$.







                  share|cite|improve this answer












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