find extrema of a $f(x,y,z)$ function using Lagrange multiplier












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The function is : $f(x,y,z)=e^y(x^2+z^2)$



restricted on $R={x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0,x^2+y^2+z^2le 16}$



$$
left{
begin{aligned}
2xe^y=lambda 2x+mu 2x \
e^y(x^2+z^2)=-lambda 6y+mu 2y\
2ze^y=lambda 2z+mu 2z\
x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0\
x^2+y^2+z^2-16=0\
end{aligned}
right.
$$



I found out $(0,pmfrac{5}{2},pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2}),(pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2},pmfrac{5}{2},0),(0,0,pm4)$



? are they right ?I don't think so becouse using the second derivate test It seems that they are all minimums points.



and the image of the function $f(R)=[frac{39}{4}e^{-frac{5}{2}},16e^{frac{5}{2}}]$



I also did study the function itself:



$$
left{
begin{array}
2xe^y=0 \
e^y(x^2+z^2)=0\
2ze^y=0
end{array}
right.
$$



so It's seems like there is also the point $(0,y,0)$ ? I don't get it










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    The function is : $f(x,y,z)=e^y(x^2+z^2)$



    restricted on $R={x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0,x^2+y^2+z^2le 16}$



    $$
    left{
    begin{aligned}
    2xe^y=lambda 2x+mu 2x \
    e^y(x^2+z^2)=-lambda 6y+mu 2y\
    2ze^y=lambda 2z+mu 2z\
    x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0\
    x^2+y^2+z^2-16=0\
    end{aligned}
    right.
    $$



    I found out $(0,pmfrac{5}{2},pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2}),(pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2},pmfrac{5}{2},0),(0,0,pm4)$



    ? are they right ?I don't think so becouse using the second derivate test It seems that they are all minimums points.



    and the image of the function $f(R)=[frac{39}{4}e^{-frac{5}{2}},16e^{frac{5}{2}}]$



    I also did study the function itself:



    $$
    left{
    begin{array}
    2xe^y=0 \
    e^y(x^2+z^2)=0\
    2ze^y=0
    end{array}
    right.
    $$



    so It's seems like there is also the point $(0,y,0)$ ? I don't get it










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      The function is : $f(x,y,z)=e^y(x^2+z^2)$



      restricted on $R={x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0,x^2+y^2+z^2le 16}$



      $$
      left{
      begin{aligned}
      2xe^y=lambda 2x+mu 2x \
      e^y(x^2+z^2)=-lambda 6y+mu 2y\
      2ze^y=lambda 2z+mu 2z\
      x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0\
      x^2+y^2+z^2-16=0\
      end{aligned}
      right.
      $$



      I found out $(0,pmfrac{5}{2},pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2}),(pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2},pmfrac{5}{2},0),(0,0,pm4)$



      ? are they right ?I don't think so becouse using the second derivate test It seems that they are all minimums points.



      and the image of the function $f(R)=[frac{39}{4}e^{-frac{5}{2}},16e^{frac{5}{2}}]$



      I also did study the function itself:



      $$
      left{
      begin{array}
      2xe^y=0 \
      e^y(x^2+z^2)=0\
      2ze^y=0
      end{array}
      right.
      $$



      so It's seems like there is also the point $(0,y,0)$ ? I don't get it










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      The function is : $f(x,y,z)=e^y(x^2+z^2)$



      restricted on $R={x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0,x^2+y^2+z^2le 16}$



      $$
      left{
      begin{aligned}
      2xe^y=lambda 2x+mu 2x \
      e^y(x^2+z^2)=-lambda 6y+mu 2y\
      2ze^y=lambda 2z+mu 2z\
      x^2-3y^2+z^2+9=0\
      x^2+y^2+z^2-16=0\
      end{aligned}
      right.
      $$



      I found out $(0,pmfrac{5}{2},pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2}),(pmfrac{sqrt{39}}{2},pmfrac{5}{2},0),(0,0,pm4)$



      ? are they right ?I don't think so becouse using the second derivate test It seems that they are all minimums points.



      and the image of the function $f(R)=[frac{39}{4}e^{-frac{5}{2}},16e^{frac{5}{2}}]$



      I also did study the function itself:



      $$
      left{
      begin{array}
      2xe^y=0 \
      e^y(x^2+z^2)=0\
      2ze^y=0
      end{array}
      right.
      $$



      so It's seems like there is also the point $(0,y,0)$ ? I don't get it







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          $x^2 + z^2 = 3y^2 - 9\
          4y^2 - 9 le 16\
          y^2 le frac {25}{4}\
          |y| le frac 52\
          0le x^2 + z^2 le frac {75}{4} - 9\
          0 le x^2 + z^2 le frac {39}{4}$



          $ 0 le f(x,y,z) le e^{frac 52}(frac {39}{4})$






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            sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
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            @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
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          $ f:R^3 to R $



          $ f(x,y,z) = e^y(x^2+z^2) $



          $ M = {(x,y,z) in R^3 : x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 = 0, x^2 + y^2 + z^2 leq 16 } $



          Let's define $ F: R^3 to R $, $ $ $ F(x,y,z) = x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 + 9 $



          $ nabla F(x,y,z) = [2x,-6y,2z] $, $ nabla f(x,y,z)=[2xe^y,e^y(x^2+z^2),2ze^y] $



          Points where $nabla F$ is zero vector aren't in M, so everything good so far. We get 4 equations:



          $(1) 2x = 2xlambda e^y $



          $(2) -6y = lambda e^y(x^2+z^2) $



          $(3) 2z = 2zlambda e^y $



          $(4) x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 =0 $



          By simple operations: ( I'll get rid of (4), putting $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2 - 9 $ in (2))



          $(1') x(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



          $(2') -6y = lambda e^y(3y^2 - 9) $



          $(3') z(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



          Okay, right now, either $ lambda e^y = 1 $, but then $ 3(y^2 + 2y - 3) = 0 $ which is impossible since $ y in [-4,4] $ due to inequality in M, $ y leq 0 $ due to (2) (when we put $ lambda e^y = 1 $ we get $ -6y = x^2 + z^2 $, so $y leq 0 $, and since (4) we get $y leq -sqrt{3} $, so putting those together:



          if $lambda e^y = 1$, then it must holds that $ y in [-4,-3sqrt{3}]$, but then $y^2 +2y - 3 = 0$, and only root is $y =-3$, but then by (2) , we get $12 = x^2 + z^2$ and so $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 18 geq 16$, so we're not interested in that.



          So by that, it does must hold, that $x=0$ and $z=0$ ( cause $lambda e^1 neq 1 $, so to have both (1) and (3) we must have $x=z=0$)



          Okay, now a little bit easier knowing that, we get:



          $3y^2 - 9 = 0 $ which holds iff $ y in {-sqrt{3},+sqrt{3}}$



          So we get only points of the form $(0,pm sqrt{3},0)$



          Looking at the function $ g: R - > R g(y) = 3e^y(y^2-3) $ ( that is your f, but restricted to $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2-9$ ), we see, those are neither minima nor maxima points ( $ g(y) < 0 $ if $ yin(-sqrt{3},sqrt{3})$, and $g(y) > 0 $ if $ yin(-infty,-sqrt{3}) cup (sqrt{3},+infty) $ ( saddle points ).



          The rest of the exercise goes as you did ( so checking the boundary of M when inequality becomes in fact equality ).






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            $x^2 + z^2 = 3y^2 - 9\
            4y^2 - 9 le 16\
            y^2 le frac {25}{4}\
            |y| le frac 52\
            0le x^2 + z^2 le frac {75}{4} - 9\
            0 le x^2 + z^2 le frac {39}{4}$



            $ 0 le f(x,y,z) le e^{frac 52}(frac {39}{4})$






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              sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
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              @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
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            $begingroup$

            $x^2 + z^2 = 3y^2 - 9\
            4y^2 - 9 le 16\
            y^2 le frac {25}{4}\
            |y| le frac 52\
            0le x^2 + z^2 le frac {75}{4} - 9\
            0 le x^2 + z^2 le frac {39}{4}$



            $ 0 le f(x,y,z) le e^{frac 52}(frac {39}{4})$






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            • $begingroup$
              sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
              $endgroup$
              – NPLS
              Jan 17 at 22:44












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              @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
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            $begingroup$

            $x^2 + z^2 = 3y^2 - 9\
            4y^2 - 9 le 16\
            y^2 le frac {25}{4}\
            |y| le frac 52\
            0le x^2 + z^2 le frac {75}{4} - 9\
            0 le x^2 + z^2 le frac {39}{4}$



            $ 0 le f(x,y,z) le e^{frac 52}(frac {39}{4})$






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            $x^2 + z^2 = 3y^2 - 9\
            4y^2 - 9 le 16\
            y^2 le frac {25}{4}\
            |y| le frac 52\
            0le x^2 + z^2 le frac {75}{4} - 9\
            0 le x^2 + z^2 le frac {39}{4}$



            $ 0 le f(x,y,z) le e^{frac 52}(frac {39}{4})$







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            • $begingroup$
              sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
              $endgroup$
              – NPLS
              Jan 17 at 22:44












            • $begingroup$
              @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
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              Jan 17 at 23:33


















            • $begingroup$
              sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
              $endgroup$
              – NPLS
              Jan 17 at 22:44












            • $begingroup$
              @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
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              Jan 17 at 23:33
















            $begingroup$
            sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
            $endgroup$
            – NPLS
            Jan 17 at 22:44






            $begingroup$
            sure about the last expression ? $e^{frac{5}{4}}$ isn't it as you wrote it above $y=frac{5}{2}$?
            $endgroup$
            – NPLS
            Jan 17 at 22:44














            $begingroup$
            @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
            $endgroup$
            – Doug M
            Jan 17 at 23:33




            $begingroup$
            @NPLS, Yes, absolutely correct. I will fix it.
            $endgroup$
            – Doug M
            Jan 17 at 23:33











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            $begingroup$

            $ f:R^3 to R $



            $ f(x,y,z) = e^y(x^2+z^2) $



            $ M = {(x,y,z) in R^3 : x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 = 0, x^2 + y^2 + z^2 leq 16 } $



            Let's define $ F: R^3 to R $, $ $ $ F(x,y,z) = x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 + 9 $



            $ nabla F(x,y,z) = [2x,-6y,2z] $, $ nabla f(x,y,z)=[2xe^y,e^y(x^2+z^2),2ze^y] $



            Points where $nabla F$ is zero vector aren't in M, so everything good so far. We get 4 equations:



            $(1) 2x = 2xlambda e^y $



            $(2) -6y = lambda e^y(x^2+z^2) $



            $(3) 2z = 2zlambda e^y $



            $(4) x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 =0 $



            By simple operations: ( I'll get rid of (4), putting $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2 - 9 $ in (2))



            $(1') x(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



            $(2') -6y = lambda e^y(3y^2 - 9) $



            $(3') z(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



            Okay, right now, either $ lambda e^y = 1 $, but then $ 3(y^2 + 2y - 3) = 0 $ which is impossible since $ y in [-4,4] $ due to inequality in M, $ y leq 0 $ due to (2) (when we put $ lambda e^y = 1 $ we get $ -6y = x^2 + z^2 $, so $y leq 0 $, and since (4) we get $y leq -sqrt{3} $, so putting those together:



            if $lambda e^y = 1$, then it must holds that $ y in [-4,-3sqrt{3}]$, but then $y^2 +2y - 3 = 0$, and only root is $y =-3$, but then by (2) , we get $12 = x^2 + z^2$ and so $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 18 geq 16$, so we're not interested in that.



            So by that, it does must hold, that $x=0$ and $z=0$ ( cause $lambda e^1 neq 1 $, so to have both (1) and (3) we must have $x=z=0$)



            Okay, now a little bit easier knowing that, we get:



            $3y^2 - 9 = 0 $ which holds iff $ y in {-sqrt{3},+sqrt{3}}$



            So we get only points of the form $(0,pm sqrt{3},0)$



            Looking at the function $ g: R - > R g(y) = 3e^y(y^2-3) $ ( that is your f, but restricted to $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2-9$ ), we see, those are neither minima nor maxima points ( $ g(y) < 0 $ if $ yin(-sqrt{3},sqrt{3})$, and $g(y) > 0 $ if $ yin(-infty,-sqrt{3}) cup (sqrt{3},+infty) $ ( saddle points ).



            The rest of the exercise goes as you did ( so checking the boundary of M when inequality becomes in fact equality ).






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              $begingroup$

              $ f:R^3 to R $



              $ f(x,y,z) = e^y(x^2+z^2) $



              $ M = {(x,y,z) in R^3 : x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 = 0, x^2 + y^2 + z^2 leq 16 } $



              Let's define $ F: R^3 to R $, $ $ $ F(x,y,z) = x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 + 9 $



              $ nabla F(x,y,z) = [2x,-6y,2z] $, $ nabla f(x,y,z)=[2xe^y,e^y(x^2+z^2),2ze^y] $



              Points where $nabla F$ is zero vector aren't in M, so everything good so far. We get 4 equations:



              $(1) 2x = 2xlambda e^y $



              $(2) -6y = lambda e^y(x^2+z^2) $



              $(3) 2z = 2zlambda e^y $



              $(4) x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 =0 $



              By simple operations: ( I'll get rid of (4), putting $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2 - 9 $ in (2))



              $(1') x(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



              $(2') -6y = lambda e^y(3y^2 - 9) $



              $(3') z(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



              Okay, right now, either $ lambda e^y = 1 $, but then $ 3(y^2 + 2y - 3) = 0 $ which is impossible since $ y in [-4,4] $ due to inequality in M, $ y leq 0 $ due to (2) (when we put $ lambda e^y = 1 $ we get $ -6y = x^2 + z^2 $, so $y leq 0 $, and since (4) we get $y leq -sqrt{3} $, so putting those together:



              if $lambda e^y = 1$, then it must holds that $ y in [-4,-3sqrt{3}]$, but then $y^2 +2y - 3 = 0$, and only root is $y =-3$, but then by (2) , we get $12 = x^2 + z^2$ and so $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 18 geq 16$, so we're not interested in that.



              So by that, it does must hold, that $x=0$ and $z=0$ ( cause $lambda e^1 neq 1 $, so to have both (1) and (3) we must have $x=z=0$)



              Okay, now a little bit easier knowing that, we get:



              $3y^2 - 9 = 0 $ which holds iff $ y in {-sqrt{3},+sqrt{3}}$



              So we get only points of the form $(0,pm sqrt{3},0)$



              Looking at the function $ g: R - > R g(y) = 3e^y(y^2-3) $ ( that is your f, but restricted to $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2-9$ ), we see, those are neither minima nor maxima points ( $ g(y) < 0 $ if $ yin(-sqrt{3},sqrt{3})$, and $g(y) > 0 $ if $ yin(-infty,-sqrt{3}) cup (sqrt{3},+infty) $ ( saddle points ).



              The rest of the exercise goes as you did ( so checking the boundary of M when inequality becomes in fact equality ).






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                $begingroup$

                $ f:R^3 to R $



                $ f(x,y,z) = e^y(x^2+z^2) $



                $ M = {(x,y,z) in R^3 : x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 = 0, x^2 + y^2 + z^2 leq 16 } $



                Let's define $ F: R^3 to R $, $ $ $ F(x,y,z) = x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 + 9 $



                $ nabla F(x,y,z) = [2x,-6y,2z] $, $ nabla f(x,y,z)=[2xe^y,e^y(x^2+z^2),2ze^y] $



                Points where $nabla F$ is zero vector aren't in M, so everything good so far. We get 4 equations:



                $(1) 2x = 2xlambda e^y $



                $(2) -6y = lambda e^y(x^2+z^2) $



                $(3) 2z = 2zlambda e^y $



                $(4) x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 =0 $



                By simple operations: ( I'll get rid of (4), putting $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2 - 9 $ in (2))



                $(1') x(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



                $(2') -6y = lambda e^y(3y^2 - 9) $



                $(3') z(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



                Okay, right now, either $ lambda e^y = 1 $, but then $ 3(y^2 + 2y - 3) = 0 $ which is impossible since $ y in [-4,4] $ due to inequality in M, $ y leq 0 $ due to (2) (when we put $ lambda e^y = 1 $ we get $ -6y = x^2 + z^2 $, so $y leq 0 $, and since (4) we get $y leq -sqrt{3} $, so putting those together:



                if $lambda e^y = 1$, then it must holds that $ y in [-4,-3sqrt{3}]$, but then $y^2 +2y - 3 = 0$, and only root is $y =-3$, but then by (2) , we get $12 = x^2 + z^2$ and so $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 18 geq 16$, so we're not interested in that.



                So by that, it does must hold, that $x=0$ and $z=0$ ( cause $lambda e^1 neq 1 $, so to have both (1) and (3) we must have $x=z=0$)



                Okay, now a little bit easier knowing that, we get:



                $3y^2 - 9 = 0 $ which holds iff $ y in {-sqrt{3},+sqrt{3}}$



                So we get only points of the form $(0,pm sqrt{3},0)$



                Looking at the function $ g: R - > R g(y) = 3e^y(y^2-3) $ ( that is your f, but restricted to $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2-9$ ), we see, those are neither minima nor maxima points ( $ g(y) < 0 $ if $ yin(-sqrt{3},sqrt{3})$, and $g(y) > 0 $ if $ yin(-infty,-sqrt{3}) cup (sqrt{3},+infty) $ ( saddle points ).



                The rest of the exercise goes as you did ( so checking the boundary of M when inequality becomes in fact equality ).






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                $ f:R^3 to R $



                $ f(x,y,z) = e^y(x^2+z^2) $



                $ M = {(x,y,z) in R^3 : x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 = 0, x^2 + y^2 + z^2 leq 16 } $



                Let's define $ F: R^3 to R $, $ $ $ F(x,y,z) = x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 + 9 $



                $ nabla F(x,y,z) = [2x,-6y,2z] $, $ nabla f(x,y,z)=[2xe^y,e^y(x^2+z^2),2ze^y] $



                Points where $nabla F$ is zero vector aren't in M, so everything good so far. We get 4 equations:



                $(1) 2x = 2xlambda e^y $



                $(2) -6y = lambda e^y(x^2+z^2) $



                $(3) 2z = 2zlambda e^y $



                $(4) x^2 - 3y^2 + z^2 +9 =0 $



                By simple operations: ( I'll get rid of (4), putting $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2 - 9 $ in (2))



                $(1') x(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



                $(2') -6y = lambda e^y(3y^2 - 9) $



                $(3') z(1-lambda e^y) = 0 $



                Okay, right now, either $ lambda e^y = 1 $, but then $ 3(y^2 + 2y - 3) = 0 $ which is impossible since $ y in [-4,4] $ due to inequality in M, $ y leq 0 $ due to (2) (when we put $ lambda e^y = 1 $ we get $ -6y = x^2 + z^2 $, so $y leq 0 $, and since (4) we get $y leq -sqrt{3} $, so putting those together:



                if $lambda e^y = 1$, then it must holds that $ y in [-4,-3sqrt{3}]$, but then $y^2 +2y - 3 = 0$, and only root is $y =-3$, but then by (2) , we get $12 = x^2 + z^2$ and so $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 18 geq 16$, so we're not interested in that.



                So by that, it does must hold, that $x=0$ and $z=0$ ( cause $lambda e^1 neq 1 $, so to have both (1) and (3) we must have $x=z=0$)



                Okay, now a little bit easier knowing that, we get:



                $3y^2 - 9 = 0 $ which holds iff $ y in {-sqrt{3},+sqrt{3}}$



                So we get only points of the form $(0,pm sqrt{3},0)$



                Looking at the function $ g: R - > R g(y) = 3e^y(y^2-3) $ ( that is your f, but restricted to $x^2+z^2 = 3y^2-9$ ), we see, those are neither minima nor maxima points ( $ g(y) < 0 $ if $ yin(-sqrt{3},sqrt{3})$, and $g(y) > 0 $ if $ yin(-infty,-sqrt{3}) cup (sqrt{3},+infty) $ ( saddle points ).



                The rest of the exercise goes as you did ( so checking the boundary of M when inequality becomes in fact equality ).







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