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          It's not true in general : let $A_n subset S^1$ be the closed arc that is the image of $[frac{1}{n+1}, 1-frac{1}{n+1}]$ under $xmapsto e^{2ipi x}$ .



          Let $Z(n) = S^1/A_n$ with $z_n : Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ the obvious quotient map. This provides a directed system $mathbb{N}to mathbf{Top}$.



          Now $Z(n) cong S^1$ and the quotient map $Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ is the quotient by a contractible sub-CW-complex, so it's a homotopy equivalence, hence induces isomorphisms on homology.



          Thus $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = varinjlim_n H_p(S^1,R)$ where the maps are the identity, so $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = H_p(S^1,R)$.



          Let's now compute $varinjlim_n Z(n)$. I won't expand on the intuition but you can try to see it for yourself: the way $Z(n)$ varies with $n$ sort of tells us that the direct limit should be the Sierpinski space $mathbb{S}$, i.e. a space with $2$ points $a,b$ with $a$ open and $b$ closed.



          To prove that, define $p_n :Z(n)to mathbb{S}$ by sending everything to $a$ except for $1in S^1$ which is sent to $b$. This is indeed a continuous map because $p_n^{-1}({a}) = Z(n)setminus{1}$ which is open. Moreover, we clearly have $p_{n+1}circ z_n = p_n$.



          Now suppose we have a system of continuous maps $f_n : Z(n) to X$ such that $f_{n+1}circ z_n = f_n$. Then consider the induced maps $f_ncirc pi_n : S^1to X$ (where $pi_n : S^1to Z(n)$ is the projection). Then $f_ncirc pi_n$ sends $A_n$ to a single point then to $a$.



          But $f_ncirc pi_n = f_{n+1}circ z_n circ pi_n = f_{n+1}circ pi_{n+1}$ so these induced maps are all the same (you should draw diagrams to make this clearer). Let's call it $g: S^1to X$. Then $g(A_n) subset {a}$ by what I said above, so that $g(S^1setminus{1}) = g(displaystylebigcup_n A_n)subset {a}$. Moreover, clearly $g(1) = b$. From this it's clear that the $f_n$ factor through the $p_n$.



          Thus $varinjlim_n Z(n) = mathbb{S}$. But now $mathbb{S}$ is contractible, so $H_1(mathbb{S},R) = 0 neq R = H_1(S^1,R)$. Therefore homology doesn't commute with direct limits in general.



          However if you start from a directed system, say indexed by $mathbb{N}$ such that each $X(n)to X(n+1)$ is the inclusion of a $T_1$ subspace, then for all $p$, $H_p(varinjlim_n X(n),R) = varinjlim_n H_p(X(n),R)$. This is true essentially because of the following lemma :




          With the hypotheses above, if $Ksubset varinjlim_n X(n)$ is compact then for some $n$, $Ksubset X(n)$.




          This is not trivial, but here you can find a proof of it.



          Then the result will follow from simple considerations on simplices $sigma : |Delta^n|to X(infty) = varinjlim_n X(n)$: if you have $xin C_n(X(infty),R)$ (the singular chains), then it's actually in $C_n(X(m),R)$ for some $m$, and it's a cycle in one if and only if it's a cycle in the other and it's a boundary in $C_n(X(infty),R)$ if and only if for some $pgeq m$, it's a boundary in $C_n(X(p),R)$, so that $Z_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m Z_n(X(m),R), B_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m B_n(X(m),R)$; and then the result will follow by abstract nonsense (or you can check it by hand) : $H_n(X(infty), R)= varinjlim_m H_n(X(m), R)$






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            Here is another easy counterexample: take $S^1$ and consider ${S_isubset S^1:S_i text {is countable}}.$ Then, $S_i$ is totally disconnected, so $H_1(S_i)=0$. And $varinjlim S_i=S$ but $H_1(S)=mathbb Z$.






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              Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
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              I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
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            It's not true in general : let $A_n subset S^1$ be the closed arc that is the image of $[frac{1}{n+1}, 1-frac{1}{n+1}]$ under $xmapsto e^{2ipi x}$ .



            Let $Z(n) = S^1/A_n$ with $z_n : Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ the obvious quotient map. This provides a directed system $mathbb{N}to mathbf{Top}$.



            Now $Z(n) cong S^1$ and the quotient map $Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ is the quotient by a contractible sub-CW-complex, so it's a homotopy equivalence, hence induces isomorphisms on homology.



            Thus $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = varinjlim_n H_p(S^1,R)$ where the maps are the identity, so $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = H_p(S^1,R)$.



            Let's now compute $varinjlim_n Z(n)$. I won't expand on the intuition but you can try to see it for yourself: the way $Z(n)$ varies with $n$ sort of tells us that the direct limit should be the Sierpinski space $mathbb{S}$, i.e. a space with $2$ points $a,b$ with $a$ open and $b$ closed.



            To prove that, define $p_n :Z(n)to mathbb{S}$ by sending everything to $a$ except for $1in S^1$ which is sent to $b$. This is indeed a continuous map because $p_n^{-1}({a}) = Z(n)setminus{1}$ which is open. Moreover, we clearly have $p_{n+1}circ z_n = p_n$.



            Now suppose we have a system of continuous maps $f_n : Z(n) to X$ such that $f_{n+1}circ z_n = f_n$. Then consider the induced maps $f_ncirc pi_n : S^1to X$ (where $pi_n : S^1to Z(n)$ is the projection). Then $f_ncirc pi_n$ sends $A_n$ to a single point then to $a$.



            But $f_ncirc pi_n = f_{n+1}circ z_n circ pi_n = f_{n+1}circ pi_{n+1}$ so these induced maps are all the same (you should draw diagrams to make this clearer). Let's call it $g: S^1to X$. Then $g(A_n) subset {a}$ by what I said above, so that $g(S^1setminus{1}) = g(displaystylebigcup_n A_n)subset {a}$. Moreover, clearly $g(1) = b$. From this it's clear that the $f_n$ factor through the $p_n$.



            Thus $varinjlim_n Z(n) = mathbb{S}$. But now $mathbb{S}$ is contractible, so $H_1(mathbb{S},R) = 0 neq R = H_1(S^1,R)$. Therefore homology doesn't commute with direct limits in general.



            However if you start from a directed system, say indexed by $mathbb{N}$ such that each $X(n)to X(n+1)$ is the inclusion of a $T_1$ subspace, then for all $p$, $H_p(varinjlim_n X(n),R) = varinjlim_n H_p(X(n),R)$. This is true essentially because of the following lemma :




            With the hypotheses above, if $Ksubset varinjlim_n X(n)$ is compact then for some $n$, $Ksubset X(n)$.




            This is not trivial, but here you can find a proof of it.



            Then the result will follow from simple considerations on simplices $sigma : |Delta^n|to X(infty) = varinjlim_n X(n)$: if you have $xin C_n(X(infty),R)$ (the singular chains), then it's actually in $C_n(X(m),R)$ for some $m$, and it's a cycle in one if and only if it's a cycle in the other and it's a boundary in $C_n(X(infty),R)$ if and only if for some $pgeq m$, it's a boundary in $C_n(X(p),R)$, so that $Z_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m Z_n(X(m),R), B_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m B_n(X(m),R)$; and then the result will follow by abstract nonsense (or you can check it by hand) : $H_n(X(infty), R)= varinjlim_m H_n(X(m), R)$






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              It's not true in general : let $A_n subset S^1$ be the closed arc that is the image of $[frac{1}{n+1}, 1-frac{1}{n+1}]$ under $xmapsto e^{2ipi x}$ .



              Let $Z(n) = S^1/A_n$ with $z_n : Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ the obvious quotient map. This provides a directed system $mathbb{N}to mathbf{Top}$.



              Now $Z(n) cong S^1$ and the quotient map $Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ is the quotient by a contractible sub-CW-complex, so it's a homotopy equivalence, hence induces isomorphisms on homology.



              Thus $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = varinjlim_n H_p(S^1,R)$ where the maps are the identity, so $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = H_p(S^1,R)$.



              Let's now compute $varinjlim_n Z(n)$. I won't expand on the intuition but you can try to see it for yourself: the way $Z(n)$ varies with $n$ sort of tells us that the direct limit should be the Sierpinski space $mathbb{S}$, i.e. a space with $2$ points $a,b$ with $a$ open and $b$ closed.



              To prove that, define $p_n :Z(n)to mathbb{S}$ by sending everything to $a$ except for $1in S^1$ which is sent to $b$. This is indeed a continuous map because $p_n^{-1}({a}) = Z(n)setminus{1}$ which is open. Moreover, we clearly have $p_{n+1}circ z_n = p_n$.



              Now suppose we have a system of continuous maps $f_n : Z(n) to X$ such that $f_{n+1}circ z_n = f_n$. Then consider the induced maps $f_ncirc pi_n : S^1to X$ (where $pi_n : S^1to Z(n)$ is the projection). Then $f_ncirc pi_n$ sends $A_n$ to a single point then to $a$.



              But $f_ncirc pi_n = f_{n+1}circ z_n circ pi_n = f_{n+1}circ pi_{n+1}$ so these induced maps are all the same (you should draw diagrams to make this clearer). Let's call it $g: S^1to X$. Then $g(A_n) subset {a}$ by what I said above, so that $g(S^1setminus{1}) = g(displaystylebigcup_n A_n)subset {a}$. Moreover, clearly $g(1) = b$. From this it's clear that the $f_n$ factor through the $p_n$.



              Thus $varinjlim_n Z(n) = mathbb{S}$. But now $mathbb{S}$ is contractible, so $H_1(mathbb{S},R) = 0 neq R = H_1(S^1,R)$. Therefore homology doesn't commute with direct limits in general.



              However if you start from a directed system, say indexed by $mathbb{N}$ such that each $X(n)to X(n+1)$ is the inclusion of a $T_1$ subspace, then for all $p$, $H_p(varinjlim_n X(n),R) = varinjlim_n H_p(X(n),R)$. This is true essentially because of the following lemma :




              With the hypotheses above, if $Ksubset varinjlim_n X(n)$ is compact then for some $n$, $Ksubset X(n)$.




              This is not trivial, but here you can find a proof of it.



              Then the result will follow from simple considerations on simplices $sigma : |Delta^n|to X(infty) = varinjlim_n X(n)$: if you have $xin C_n(X(infty),R)$ (the singular chains), then it's actually in $C_n(X(m),R)$ for some $m$, and it's a cycle in one if and only if it's a cycle in the other and it's a boundary in $C_n(X(infty),R)$ if and only if for some $pgeq m$, it's a boundary in $C_n(X(p),R)$, so that $Z_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m Z_n(X(m),R), B_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m B_n(X(m),R)$; and then the result will follow by abstract nonsense (or you can check it by hand) : $H_n(X(infty), R)= varinjlim_m H_n(X(m), R)$






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                It's not true in general : let $A_n subset S^1$ be the closed arc that is the image of $[frac{1}{n+1}, 1-frac{1}{n+1}]$ under $xmapsto e^{2ipi x}$ .



                Let $Z(n) = S^1/A_n$ with $z_n : Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ the obvious quotient map. This provides a directed system $mathbb{N}to mathbf{Top}$.



                Now $Z(n) cong S^1$ and the quotient map $Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ is the quotient by a contractible sub-CW-complex, so it's a homotopy equivalence, hence induces isomorphisms on homology.



                Thus $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = varinjlim_n H_p(S^1,R)$ where the maps are the identity, so $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = H_p(S^1,R)$.



                Let's now compute $varinjlim_n Z(n)$. I won't expand on the intuition but you can try to see it for yourself: the way $Z(n)$ varies with $n$ sort of tells us that the direct limit should be the Sierpinski space $mathbb{S}$, i.e. a space with $2$ points $a,b$ with $a$ open and $b$ closed.



                To prove that, define $p_n :Z(n)to mathbb{S}$ by sending everything to $a$ except for $1in S^1$ which is sent to $b$. This is indeed a continuous map because $p_n^{-1}({a}) = Z(n)setminus{1}$ which is open. Moreover, we clearly have $p_{n+1}circ z_n = p_n$.



                Now suppose we have a system of continuous maps $f_n : Z(n) to X$ such that $f_{n+1}circ z_n = f_n$. Then consider the induced maps $f_ncirc pi_n : S^1to X$ (where $pi_n : S^1to Z(n)$ is the projection). Then $f_ncirc pi_n$ sends $A_n$ to a single point then to $a$.



                But $f_ncirc pi_n = f_{n+1}circ z_n circ pi_n = f_{n+1}circ pi_{n+1}$ so these induced maps are all the same (you should draw diagrams to make this clearer). Let's call it $g: S^1to X$. Then $g(A_n) subset {a}$ by what I said above, so that $g(S^1setminus{1}) = g(displaystylebigcup_n A_n)subset {a}$. Moreover, clearly $g(1) = b$. From this it's clear that the $f_n$ factor through the $p_n$.



                Thus $varinjlim_n Z(n) = mathbb{S}$. But now $mathbb{S}$ is contractible, so $H_1(mathbb{S},R) = 0 neq R = H_1(S^1,R)$. Therefore homology doesn't commute with direct limits in general.



                However if you start from a directed system, say indexed by $mathbb{N}$ such that each $X(n)to X(n+1)$ is the inclusion of a $T_1$ subspace, then for all $p$, $H_p(varinjlim_n X(n),R) = varinjlim_n H_p(X(n),R)$. This is true essentially because of the following lemma :




                With the hypotheses above, if $Ksubset varinjlim_n X(n)$ is compact then for some $n$, $Ksubset X(n)$.




                This is not trivial, but here you can find a proof of it.



                Then the result will follow from simple considerations on simplices $sigma : |Delta^n|to X(infty) = varinjlim_n X(n)$: if you have $xin C_n(X(infty),R)$ (the singular chains), then it's actually in $C_n(X(m),R)$ for some $m$, and it's a cycle in one if and only if it's a cycle in the other and it's a boundary in $C_n(X(infty),R)$ if and only if for some $pgeq m$, it's a boundary in $C_n(X(p),R)$, so that $Z_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m Z_n(X(m),R), B_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m B_n(X(m),R)$; and then the result will follow by abstract nonsense (or you can check it by hand) : $H_n(X(infty), R)= varinjlim_m H_n(X(m), R)$






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                It's not true in general : let $A_n subset S^1$ be the closed arc that is the image of $[frac{1}{n+1}, 1-frac{1}{n+1}]$ under $xmapsto e^{2ipi x}$ .



                Let $Z(n) = S^1/A_n$ with $z_n : Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ the obvious quotient map. This provides a directed system $mathbb{N}to mathbf{Top}$.



                Now $Z(n) cong S^1$ and the quotient map $Z(n)to Z(n+1)$ is the quotient by a contractible sub-CW-complex, so it's a homotopy equivalence, hence induces isomorphisms on homology.



                Thus $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = varinjlim_n H_p(S^1,R)$ where the maps are the identity, so $varinjlim_n H_p(Z(n), R) = H_p(S^1,R)$.



                Let's now compute $varinjlim_n Z(n)$. I won't expand on the intuition but you can try to see it for yourself: the way $Z(n)$ varies with $n$ sort of tells us that the direct limit should be the Sierpinski space $mathbb{S}$, i.e. a space with $2$ points $a,b$ with $a$ open and $b$ closed.



                To prove that, define $p_n :Z(n)to mathbb{S}$ by sending everything to $a$ except for $1in S^1$ which is sent to $b$. This is indeed a continuous map because $p_n^{-1}({a}) = Z(n)setminus{1}$ which is open. Moreover, we clearly have $p_{n+1}circ z_n = p_n$.



                Now suppose we have a system of continuous maps $f_n : Z(n) to X$ such that $f_{n+1}circ z_n = f_n$. Then consider the induced maps $f_ncirc pi_n : S^1to X$ (where $pi_n : S^1to Z(n)$ is the projection). Then $f_ncirc pi_n$ sends $A_n$ to a single point then to $a$.



                But $f_ncirc pi_n = f_{n+1}circ z_n circ pi_n = f_{n+1}circ pi_{n+1}$ so these induced maps are all the same (you should draw diagrams to make this clearer). Let's call it $g: S^1to X$. Then $g(A_n) subset {a}$ by what I said above, so that $g(S^1setminus{1}) = g(displaystylebigcup_n A_n)subset {a}$. Moreover, clearly $g(1) = b$. From this it's clear that the $f_n$ factor through the $p_n$.



                Thus $varinjlim_n Z(n) = mathbb{S}$. But now $mathbb{S}$ is contractible, so $H_1(mathbb{S},R) = 0 neq R = H_1(S^1,R)$. Therefore homology doesn't commute with direct limits in general.



                However if you start from a directed system, say indexed by $mathbb{N}$ such that each $X(n)to X(n+1)$ is the inclusion of a $T_1$ subspace, then for all $p$, $H_p(varinjlim_n X(n),R) = varinjlim_n H_p(X(n),R)$. This is true essentially because of the following lemma :




                With the hypotheses above, if $Ksubset varinjlim_n X(n)$ is compact then for some $n$, $Ksubset X(n)$.




                This is not trivial, but here you can find a proof of it.



                Then the result will follow from simple considerations on simplices $sigma : |Delta^n|to X(infty) = varinjlim_n X(n)$: if you have $xin C_n(X(infty),R)$ (the singular chains), then it's actually in $C_n(X(m),R)$ for some $m$, and it's a cycle in one if and only if it's a cycle in the other and it's a boundary in $C_n(X(infty),R)$ if and only if for some $pgeq m$, it's a boundary in $C_n(X(p),R)$, so that $Z_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m Z_n(X(m),R), B_n(X(infty),R) = varinjlim_m B_n(X(m),R)$; and then the result will follow by abstract nonsense (or you can check it by hand) : $H_n(X(infty), R)= varinjlim_m H_n(X(m), R)$







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                    Here is another easy counterexample: take $S^1$ and consider ${S_isubset S^1:S_i text {is countable}}.$ Then, $S_i$ is totally disconnected, so $H_1(S_i)=0$. And $varinjlim S_i=S$ but $H_1(S)=mathbb Z$.






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                      Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
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                      I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
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                      Yes ok, I used metrizable to get to first countable
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                    Here is another easy counterexample: take $S^1$ and consider ${S_isubset S^1:S_i text {is countable}}.$ Then, $S_i$ is totally disconnected, so $H_1(S_i)=0$. And $varinjlim S_i=S$ but $H_1(S)=mathbb Z$.






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                      Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
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                      I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
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                      – Matematleta
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                      Yes ok, I used metrizable to get to first countable
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                      – Max
                      Jan 12 at 18:32














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                    Here is another easy counterexample: take $S^1$ and consider ${S_isubset S^1:S_i text {is countable}}.$ Then, $S_i$ is totally disconnected, so $H_1(S_i)=0$. And $varinjlim S_i=S$ but $H_1(S)=mathbb Z$.






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                    Here is another easy counterexample: take $S^1$ and consider ${S_isubset S^1:S_i text {is countable}}.$ Then, $S_i$ is totally disconnected, so $H_1(S_i)=0$. And $varinjlim S_i=S$ but $H_1(S)=mathbb Z$.







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                    answered Jan 12 at 17:35









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                    • $begingroup$
                      Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max
                      Jan 12 at 17:47










                    • $begingroup$
                      I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
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                      – Matematleta
                      Jan 12 at 18:30












                    • $begingroup$
                      Yes ok, I used metrizable to get to first countable
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max
                      Jan 12 at 18:32


















                    • $begingroup$
                      Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max
                      Jan 12 at 17:47










                    • $begingroup$
                      I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Matematleta
                      Jan 12 at 18:30












                    • $begingroup$
                      Yes ok, I used metrizable to get to first countable
                      $endgroup$
                      – Max
                      Jan 12 at 18:32
















                    $begingroup$
                    Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Max
                    Jan 12 at 17:47




                    $begingroup$
                    Perhaps you could write a skecth of a proof as to why $varinjlim S_i = S$; it was not immediate to me (the proof I have in mind relies heavily on the fact that $S^1$ is metrizable, but perhaps there's a more general proof - in any case, it should perhaps be mentioned)
                    $endgroup$
                    – Max
                    Jan 12 at 17:47












                    $begingroup$
                    I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Matematleta
                    Jan 12 at 18:30






                    $begingroup$
                    I think it's true for any first countable space. We need a homeomorphism from $lim S_i$ to $S^1$. One map is trivial, For the other, take any $S'subseteq lim S_i$ and show that if $S'cap S_i$ is closed in $S_i$ then $S'$ is closed in $S^1$. This is clear since if $x_nto xin S^1$ , then ${x}cup (x_n)$ is countable.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Matematleta
                    Jan 12 at 18:30














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                    Yes ok, I used metrizable to get to first countable
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                    – Max
                    Jan 12 at 18:32




                    $begingroup$
                    Yes ok, I used metrizable to get to first countable
                    $endgroup$
                    – Max
                    Jan 12 at 18:32



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