Vitali's Convergence Theorem but one hypothesis changes
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We have the following problem:
Let $(Y, Gamma , nu)$ be a measure space. Suppose that ${g_{n}} , subset , L^{p} , := , L^{p}(Y,Gamma , nu).$ Prove that $lim_{n} g_{n} = g$ in $L^p$ if and only if:
1) For each $epsilon > 0$
$$lim_{ntoinfty} nu({y in Y , : , |g_{n}(y)-g(y)| > epsilon }) = 0.$$
2) If $epsilon > 0$ exists $delta(epsilon) > 0$ such that if $E in Gamma$ and $nu(E) < delta(epsilon)$, then
$$left|int_{E} g , dnu right| < epsilon . $$
3) For each $epsilon > 0$ exists $N in mathbb{N}$ and a set $E_{epsilon} in Gamma$ with $nu(E_{epsilon}) < infty$ such that
$$ int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} left| g_{n} right| ^{p} , dnu < epsilon quad forall n geq N. $$
As you can see the conditions are pretty similar to the Vitali's Convergence Theorem, except for the second one.
I have been following the proof in the book of Rober G. Bartle called Element of Integration but I can't change that proof so that fits in my problem.
So far the idea that I had is consider $epsilon>0$ and let $E_{epsilon}$ be as in 3). Then apply the Minkowski inequality to the function $g_n-g=(g_n-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}}+g_nchi_{E_{epsilon}^c}+(-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}^c}$.
From there I can narrow the second and the first elements, but not the last one.
I would really appreciate some help.
Thank you so much.
real-analysis functional-analysis measure-theory convergence lp-spaces
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We have the following problem:
Let $(Y, Gamma , nu)$ be a measure space. Suppose that ${g_{n}} , subset , L^{p} , := , L^{p}(Y,Gamma , nu).$ Prove that $lim_{n} g_{n} = g$ in $L^p$ if and only if:
1) For each $epsilon > 0$
$$lim_{ntoinfty} nu({y in Y , : , |g_{n}(y)-g(y)| > epsilon }) = 0.$$
2) If $epsilon > 0$ exists $delta(epsilon) > 0$ such that if $E in Gamma$ and $nu(E) < delta(epsilon)$, then
$$left|int_{E} g , dnu right| < epsilon . $$
3) For each $epsilon > 0$ exists $N in mathbb{N}$ and a set $E_{epsilon} in Gamma$ with $nu(E_{epsilon}) < infty$ such that
$$ int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} left| g_{n} right| ^{p} , dnu < epsilon quad forall n geq N. $$
As you can see the conditions are pretty similar to the Vitali's Convergence Theorem, except for the second one.
I have been following the proof in the book of Rober G. Bartle called Element of Integration but I can't change that proof so that fits in my problem.
So far the idea that I had is consider $epsilon>0$ and let $E_{epsilon}$ be as in 3). Then apply the Minkowski inequality to the function $g_n-g=(g_n-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}}+g_nchi_{E_{epsilon}^c}+(-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}^c}$.
From there I can narrow the second and the first elements, but not the last one.
I would really appreciate some help.
Thank you so much.
real-analysis functional-analysis measure-theory convergence lp-spaces
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What is a positive metric space?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 14 at 11:41
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That was a bad translation, sorry for that. I will change it.
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:06
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I think there is an error in 3). Instead of $nu_{epsilon} (E) <infty$ you should have $nu_{epsilon} (E) <epsilon$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:11
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I meant $nu (E_{epsilon})$ when I wrote $nu_{epsilon}(E)$ in my comment.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:19
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I have read again what my problem says and I think I typed that part correctly. I have been seeing this theorem usually with the conditions number 2) and 3) exchanged, so my number 3) is usually number 2) and my number 2) is number 3). One example of that is the page of Wikipedia about Vitali Convergence Theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_convergence_theorem
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:28
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We have the following problem:
Let $(Y, Gamma , nu)$ be a measure space. Suppose that ${g_{n}} , subset , L^{p} , := , L^{p}(Y,Gamma , nu).$ Prove that $lim_{n} g_{n} = g$ in $L^p$ if and only if:
1) For each $epsilon > 0$
$$lim_{ntoinfty} nu({y in Y , : , |g_{n}(y)-g(y)| > epsilon }) = 0.$$
2) If $epsilon > 0$ exists $delta(epsilon) > 0$ such that if $E in Gamma$ and $nu(E) < delta(epsilon)$, then
$$left|int_{E} g , dnu right| < epsilon . $$
3) For each $epsilon > 0$ exists $N in mathbb{N}$ and a set $E_{epsilon} in Gamma$ with $nu(E_{epsilon}) < infty$ such that
$$ int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} left| g_{n} right| ^{p} , dnu < epsilon quad forall n geq N. $$
As you can see the conditions are pretty similar to the Vitali's Convergence Theorem, except for the second one.
I have been following the proof in the book of Rober G. Bartle called Element of Integration but I can't change that proof so that fits in my problem.
So far the idea that I had is consider $epsilon>0$ and let $E_{epsilon}$ be as in 3). Then apply the Minkowski inequality to the function $g_n-g=(g_n-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}}+g_nchi_{E_{epsilon}^c}+(-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}^c}$.
From there I can narrow the second and the first elements, but not the last one.
I would really appreciate some help.
Thank you so much.
real-analysis functional-analysis measure-theory convergence lp-spaces
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We have the following problem:
Let $(Y, Gamma , nu)$ be a measure space. Suppose that ${g_{n}} , subset , L^{p} , := , L^{p}(Y,Gamma , nu).$ Prove that $lim_{n} g_{n} = g$ in $L^p$ if and only if:
1) For each $epsilon > 0$
$$lim_{ntoinfty} nu({y in Y , : , |g_{n}(y)-g(y)| > epsilon }) = 0.$$
2) If $epsilon > 0$ exists $delta(epsilon) > 0$ such that if $E in Gamma$ and $nu(E) < delta(epsilon)$, then
$$left|int_{E} g , dnu right| < epsilon . $$
3) For each $epsilon > 0$ exists $N in mathbb{N}$ and a set $E_{epsilon} in Gamma$ with $nu(E_{epsilon}) < infty$ such that
$$ int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} left| g_{n} right| ^{p} , dnu < epsilon quad forall n geq N. $$
As you can see the conditions are pretty similar to the Vitali's Convergence Theorem, except for the second one.
I have been following the proof in the book of Rober G. Bartle called Element of Integration but I can't change that proof so that fits in my problem.
So far the idea that I had is consider $epsilon>0$ and let $E_{epsilon}$ be as in 3). Then apply the Minkowski inequality to the function $g_n-g=(g_n-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}}+g_nchi_{E_{epsilon}^c}+(-g)chi_{E_{epsilon}^c}$.
From there I can narrow the second and the first elements, but not the last one.
I would really appreciate some help.
Thank you so much.
real-analysis functional-analysis measure-theory convergence lp-spaces
real-analysis functional-analysis measure-theory convergence lp-spaces
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What is a positive metric space?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 14 at 11:41
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That was a bad translation, sorry for that. I will change it.
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:06
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I think there is an error in 3). Instead of $nu_{epsilon} (E) <infty$ you should have $nu_{epsilon} (E) <epsilon$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:11
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I meant $nu (E_{epsilon})$ when I wrote $nu_{epsilon}(E)$ in my comment.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:19
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I have read again what my problem says and I think I typed that part correctly. I have been seeing this theorem usually with the conditions number 2) and 3) exchanged, so my number 3) is usually number 2) and my number 2) is number 3). One example of that is the page of Wikipedia about Vitali Convergence Theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_convergence_theorem
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:28
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show 3 more comments
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What is a positive metric space?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 14 at 11:41
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That was a bad translation, sorry for that. I will change it.
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:06
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I think there is an error in 3). Instead of $nu_{epsilon} (E) <infty$ you should have $nu_{epsilon} (E) <epsilon$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:11
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I meant $nu (E_{epsilon})$ when I wrote $nu_{epsilon}(E)$ in my comment.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:19
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I have read again what my problem says and I think I typed that part correctly. I have been seeing this theorem usually with the conditions number 2) and 3) exchanged, so my number 3) is usually number 2) and my number 2) is number 3). One example of that is the page of Wikipedia about Vitali Convergence Theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_convergence_theorem
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:28
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What is a positive metric space?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 14 at 11:41
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What is a positive metric space?
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– BigbearZzz
Jan 14 at 11:41
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That was a bad translation, sorry for that. I will change it.
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:06
$begingroup$
That was a bad translation, sorry for that. I will change it.
$endgroup$
– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:06
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I think there is an error in 3). Instead of $nu_{epsilon} (E) <infty$ you should have $nu_{epsilon} (E) <epsilon$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:11
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I think there is an error in 3). Instead of $nu_{epsilon} (E) <infty$ you should have $nu_{epsilon} (E) <epsilon$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:11
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I meant $nu (E_{epsilon})$ when I wrote $nu_{epsilon}(E)$ in my comment.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:19
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I meant $nu (E_{epsilon})$ when I wrote $nu_{epsilon}(E)$ in my comment.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:19
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I have read again what my problem says and I think I typed that part correctly. I have been seeing this theorem usually with the conditions number 2) and 3) exchanged, so my number 3) is usually number 2) and my number 2) is number 3). One example of that is the page of Wikipedia about Vitali Convergence Theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_convergence_theorem
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– Alejandro Mahillo
Jan 14 at 12:28
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I have read again what my problem says and I think I typed that part correctly. I have been seeing this theorem usually with the conditions number 2) and 3) exchanged, so my number 3) is usually number 2) and my number 2) is number 3). One example of that is the page of Wikipedia about Vitali Convergence Theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_convergence_theorem
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The statement is wrong: Take $g_n = n 1_{(0,1/n]}$. Then $g_n(x) rightarrow 0$ for all $x in mathbb{R}$. The measure space under consideration should be $(mathbb{R},mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}),lambda)$, i.e. the Lebesgue measure on $mathbb{R}$. Then we have $lambda(|g_n|> 0) = 1/n rightarrow 0$. Since $g=0$, the condition (2) is always satisfied. In (3) you can take $E_varepsilon = [0,varepsilon]$. Then $nu(E_varepsilon) < varepsilon$ and for all $n ge N$ with $1/N < varepsilon$ we have
$$int_{E_varepsilon^c} |g_n| d lambda =0,$$
i.e. the modifacted version of Kavi Rama Murthy holds.
The problem is that (2) should be replaced by the condition that for all measurable sets $A$ with $nu(A)< delta$
$$int_{E} |g_n| , d nu < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
By taking $E cap {g_n ge 0 }$, resp. $E cap {g_n le 0 }$ the last conidition can be replaced by
$$left| int_{E} g_n , d nu right| < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
This is exactly the condition which can be found in the corresponding Wikipedia article, as cited in the comments. Note that we don't need to make the modification as made in Kavi Rama Murthy answer.
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As I mentioned in one of the comments 3) should say $nu (E_{epsilon}) <epsilon$. Here is how you handle the last term in your decomposition: by going to a subsequence we may replace 1) by almost everywhere convergence. Let $epsilon >0$ Then we have $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g_n|^{p}dnu <epsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. By Fatou's Lemma this gives $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g|^{p}dnu leqdelta$. Hence $|-gI_{E_{epsilon}^{c}}|_p leq epsilon^{1/p}$.
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The statement is wrong: Take $g_n = n 1_{(0,1/n]}$. Then $g_n(x) rightarrow 0$ for all $x in mathbb{R}$. The measure space under consideration should be $(mathbb{R},mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}),lambda)$, i.e. the Lebesgue measure on $mathbb{R}$. Then we have $lambda(|g_n|> 0) = 1/n rightarrow 0$. Since $g=0$, the condition (2) is always satisfied. In (3) you can take $E_varepsilon = [0,varepsilon]$. Then $nu(E_varepsilon) < varepsilon$ and for all $n ge N$ with $1/N < varepsilon$ we have
$$int_{E_varepsilon^c} |g_n| d lambda =0,$$
i.e. the modifacted version of Kavi Rama Murthy holds.
The problem is that (2) should be replaced by the condition that for all measurable sets $A$ with $nu(A)< delta$
$$int_{E} |g_n| , d nu < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
By taking $E cap {g_n ge 0 }$, resp. $E cap {g_n le 0 }$ the last conidition can be replaced by
$$left| int_{E} g_n , d nu right| < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
This is exactly the condition which can be found in the corresponding Wikipedia article, as cited in the comments. Note that we don't need to make the modification as made in Kavi Rama Murthy answer.
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The statement is wrong: Take $g_n = n 1_{(0,1/n]}$. Then $g_n(x) rightarrow 0$ for all $x in mathbb{R}$. The measure space under consideration should be $(mathbb{R},mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}),lambda)$, i.e. the Lebesgue measure on $mathbb{R}$. Then we have $lambda(|g_n|> 0) = 1/n rightarrow 0$. Since $g=0$, the condition (2) is always satisfied. In (3) you can take $E_varepsilon = [0,varepsilon]$. Then $nu(E_varepsilon) < varepsilon$ and for all $n ge N$ with $1/N < varepsilon$ we have
$$int_{E_varepsilon^c} |g_n| d lambda =0,$$
i.e. the modifacted version of Kavi Rama Murthy holds.
The problem is that (2) should be replaced by the condition that for all measurable sets $A$ with $nu(A)< delta$
$$int_{E} |g_n| , d nu < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
By taking $E cap {g_n ge 0 }$, resp. $E cap {g_n le 0 }$ the last conidition can be replaced by
$$left| int_{E} g_n , d nu right| < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
This is exactly the condition which can be found in the corresponding Wikipedia article, as cited in the comments. Note that we don't need to make the modification as made in Kavi Rama Murthy answer.
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The statement is wrong: Take $g_n = n 1_{(0,1/n]}$. Then $g_n(x) rightarrow 0$ for all $x in mathbb{R}$. The measure space under consideration should be $(mathbb{R},mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}),lambda)$, i.e. the Lebesgue measure on $mathbb{R}$. Then we have $lambda(|g_n|> 0) = 1/n rightarrow 0$. Since $g=0$, the condition (2) is always satisfied. In (3) you can take $E_varepsilon = [0,varepsilon]$. Then $nu(E_varepsilon) < varepsilon$ and for all $n ge N$ with $1/N < varepsilon$ we have
$$int_{E_varepsilon^c} |g_n| d lambda =0,$$
i.e. the modifacted version of Kavi Rama Murthy holds.
The problem is that (2) should be replaced by the condition that for all measurable sets $A$ with $nu(A)< delta$
$$int_{E} |g_n| , d nu < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
By taking $E cap {g_n ge 0 }$, resp. $E cap {g_n le 0 }$ the last conidition can be replaced by
$$left| int_{E} g_n , d nu right| < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
This is exactly the condition which can be found in the corresponding Wikipedia article, as cited in the comments. Note that we don't need to make the modification as made in Kavi Rama Murthy answer.
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The statement is wrong: Take $g_n = n 1_{(0,1/n]}$. Then $g_n(x) rightarrow 0$ for all $x in mathbb{R}$. The measure space under consideration should be $(mathbb{R},mathcal{B}(mathbb{R}),lambda)$, i.e. the Lebesgue measure on $mathbb{R}$. Then we have $lambda(|g_n|> 0) = 1/n rightarrow 0$. Since $g=0$, the condition (2) is always satisfied. In (3) you can take $E_varepsilon = [0,varepsilon]$. Then $nu(E_varepsilon) < varepsilon$ and for all $n ge N$ with $1/N < varepsilon$ we have
$$int_{E_varepsilon^c} |g_n| d lambda =0,$$
i.e. the modifacted version of Kavi Rama Murthy holds.
The problem is that (2) should be replaced by the condition that for all measurable sets $A$ with $nu(A)< delta$
$$int_{E} |g_n| , d nu < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
By taking $E cap {g_n ge 0 }$, resp. $E cap {g_n le 0 }$ the last conidition can be replaced by
$$left| int_{E} g_n , d nu right| < varepsilon quad text{for all } n in mathbb{N}.$$
This is exactly the condition which can be found in the corresponding Wikipedia article, as cited in the comments. Note that we don't need to make the modification as made in Kavi Rama Murthy answer.
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As I mentioned in one of the comments 3) should say $nu (E_{epsilon}) <epsilon$. Here is how you handle the last term in your decomposition: by going to a subsequence we may replace 1) by almost everywhere convergence. Let $epsilon >0$ Then we have $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g_n|^{p}dnu <epsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. By Fatou's Lemma this gives $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g|^{p}dnu leqdelta$. Hence $|-gI_{E_{epsilon}^{c}}|_p leq epsilon^{1/p}$.
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As I mentioned in one of the comments 3) should say $nu (E_{epsilon}) <epsilon$. Here is how you handle the last term in your decomposition: by going to a subsequence we may replace 1) by almost everywhere convergence. Let $epsilon >0$ Then we have $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g_n|^{p}dnu <epsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. By Fatou's Lemma this gives $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g|^{p}dnu leqdelta$. Hence $|-gI_{E_{epsilon}^{c}}|_p leq epsilon^{1/p}$.
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As I mentioned in one of the comments 3) should say $nu (E_{epsilon}) <epsilon$. Here is how you handle the last term in your decomposition: by going to a subsequence we may replace 1) by almost everywhere convergence. Let $epsilon >0$ Then we have $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g_n|^{p}dnu <epsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. By Fatou's Lemma this gives $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g|^{p}dnu leqdelta$. Hence $|-gI_{E_{epsilon}^{c}}|_p leq epsilon^{1/p}$.
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As I mentioned in one of the comments 3) should say $nu (E_{epsilon}) <epsilon$. Here is how you handle the last term in your decomposition: by going to a subsequence we may replace 1) by almost everywhere convergence. Let $epsilon >0$ Then we have $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g_n|^{p}dnu <epsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. By Fatou's Lemma this gives $int_{E_{epsilon}^{c}} |g|^{p}dnu leqdelta$. Hence $|-gI_{E_{epsilon}^{c}}|_p leq epsilon^{1/p}$.
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– BigbearZzz
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That was a bad translation, sorry for that. I will change it.
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– Alejandro Mahillo
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I think there is an error in 3). Instead of $nu_{epsilon} (E) <infty$ you should have $nu_{epsilon} (E) <epsilon$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:11
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I meant $nu (E_{epsilon})$ when I wrote $nu_{epsilon}(E)$ in my comment.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 12:19
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I have read again what my problem says and I think I typed that part correctly. I have been seeing this theorem usually with the conditions number 2) and 3) exchanged, so my number 3) is usually number 2) and my number 2) is number 3). One example of that is the page of Wikipedia about Vitali Convergence Theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_convergence_theorem
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