Sums of unit vectors contained in a half-space












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Consider $n$ unit vectors ${v_1,...,v_n}$ with $v_iin mathbb{R}^3$. Now define



$text{H}(w):={w'inmathbb{R}^3 | (w',w)>0}, winmathbb{R}^3$



(where $(cdot,cdot)$ is the standard scalar product in $mathbb{R}^3$), i.e. the strict halfspace identified by the vector $w$. Assume $v_iintext{H}(w) forall i=1,...,n$.
For $n=2$, this implies



$v_1+v_2in text{H}(v_1)captext{H}(v_2)$.



Is it true that



$sum_i^n v_iin bigcap_{i}^ntext{H}(v_i)$



for $n>2$?
If the answer is yes, how can one prove it?






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    By $(w', w)$ do you mean the (standard) inner product of $w'$ and $w$?
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    Yes! Sorry for not specifying.
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    If we relax the constraint that $v_1, v_2$ are unit vectors is our proposition true in the case $n=2,$ when $n>2$ it is possible that $v_i, v_j, v_k $ are nearly parallel to each other, and the result of their sum is nowhere near a unit vector.
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    Jan 14 at 21:31










  • $begingroup$
    Not even in the case $n=2$ the sum of two unit vectors is always a unit vector, but I don't see how it should be required that the sum of unit vectors is a unit vector for proving the statement. Am I missing something?
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    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 22:04
















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$begingroup$


Consider $n$ unit vectors ${v_1,...,v_n}$ with $v_iin mathbb{R}^3$. Now define



$text{H}(w):={w'inmathbb{R}^3 | (w',w)>0}, winmathbb{R}^3$



(where $(cdot,cdot)$ is the standard scalar product in $mathbb{R}^3$), i.e. the strict halfspace identified by the vector $w$. Assume $v_iintext{H}(w) forall i=1,...,n$.
For $n=2$, this implies



$v_1+v_2in text{H}(v_1)captext{H}(v_2)$.



Is it true that



$sum_i^n v_iin bigcap_{i}^ntext{H}(v_i)$



for $n>2$?
If the answer is yes, how can one prove it?






geometry convex-geometry







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  • $begingroup$
    By $(w', w)$ do you mean the (standard) inner product of $w'$ and $w$?
    $endgroup$
    – Math1000
    Jan 14 at 21:17










  • $begingroup$
    Yes! Sorry for not specifying.
    $endgroup$
    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    If we relax the constraint that $v_1, v_2$ are unit vectors is our proposition true in the case $n=2,$ when $n>2$ it is possible that $v_i, v_j, v_k $ are nearly parallel to each other, and the result of their sum is nowhere near a unit vector.
    $endgroup$
    – Doug M
    Jan 14 at 21:31










  • $begingroup$
    Not even in the case $n=2$ the sum of two unit vectors is always a unit vector, but I don't see how it should be required that the sum of unit vectors is a unit vector for proving the statement. Am I missing something?
    $endgroup$
    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 22:04














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2





$begingroup$


Consider $n$ unit vectors ${v_1,...,v_n}$ with $v_iin mathbb{R}^3$. Now define



$text{H}(w):={w'inmathbb{R}^3 | (w',w)>0}, winmathbb{R}^3$



(where $(cdot,cdot)$ is the standard scalar product in $mathbb{R}^3$), i.e. the strict halfspace identified by the vector $w$. Assume $v_iintext{H}(w) forall i=1,...,n$.
For $n=2$, this implies



$v_1+v_2in text{H}(v_1)captext{H}(v_2)$.



Is it true that



$sum_i^n v_iin bigcap_{i}^ntext{H}(v_i)$



for $n>2$?
If the answer is yes, how can one prove it?






geometry convex-geometry







share|cite|improve this question











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Consider $n$ unit vectors ${v_1,...,v_n}$ with $v_iin mathbb{R}^3$. Now define



$text{H}(w):={w'inmathbb{R}^3 | (w',w)>0}, winmathbb{R}^3$



(where $(cdot,cdot)$ is the standard scalar product in $mathbb{R}^3$), i.e. the strict halfspace identified by the vector $w$. Assume $v_iintext{H}(w) forall i=1,...,n$.
For $n=2$, this implies



$v_1+v_2in text{H}(v_1)captext{H}(v_2)$.



Is it true that



$sum_i^n v_iin bigcap_{i}^ntext{H}(v_i)$



for $n>2$?
If the answer is yes, how can one prove it?






geometry convex-geometry




geometry convex-geometry






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  • $begingroup$
    By $(w', w)$ do you mean the (standard) inner product of $w'$ and $w$?
    $endgroup$
    – Math1000
    Jan 14 at 21:17










  • $begingroup$
    Yes! Sorry for not specifying.
    $endgroup$
    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    If we relax the constraint that $v_1, v_2$ are unit vectors is our proposition true in the case $n=2,$ when $n>2$ it is possible that $v_i, v_j, v_k $ are nearly parallel to each other, and the result of their sum is nowhere near a unit vector.
    $endgroup$
    – Doug M
    Jan 14 at 21:31










  • $begingroup$
    Not even in the case $n=2$ the sum of two unit vectors is always a unit vector, but I don't see how it should be required that the sum of unit vectors is a unit vector for proving the statement. Am I missing something?
    $endgroup$
    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 22:04


















  • $begingroup$
    By $(w', w)$ do you mean the (standard) inner product of $w'$ and $w$?
    $endgroup$
    – Math1000
    Jan 14 at 21:17










  • $begingroup$
    Yes! Sorry for not specifying.
    $endgroup$
    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 21:19










  • $begingroup$
    If we relax the constraint that $v_1, v_2$ are unit vectors is our proposition true in the case $n=2,$ when $n>2$ it is possible that $v_i, v_j, v_k $ are nearly parallel to each other, and the result of their sum is nowhere near a unit vector.
    $endgroup$
    – Doug M
    Jan 14 at 21:31










  • $begingroup$
    Not even in the case $n=2$ the sum of two unit vectors is always a unit vector, but I don't see how it should be required that the sum of unit vectors is a unit vector for proving the statement. Am I missing something?
    $endgroup$
    – Tanatofobico
    Jan 14 at 22:04
















$begingroup$
By $(w', w)$ do you mean the (standard) inner product of $w'$ and $w$?
$endgroup$
– Math1000
Jan 14 at 21:17




$begingroup$
By $(w', w)$ do you mean the (standard) inner product of $w'$ and $w$?
$endgroup$
– Math1000
Jan 14 at 21:17












$begingroup$
Yes! Sorry for not specifying.
$endgroup$
– Tanatofobico
Jan 14 at 21:19




$begingroup$
Yes! Sorry for not specifying.
$endgroup$
– Tanatofobico
Jan 14 at 21:19












$begingroup$
If we relax the constraint that $v_1, v_2$ are unit vectors is our proposition true in the case $n=2,$ when $n>2$ it is possible that $v_i, v_j, v_k $ are nearly parallel to each other, and the result of their sum is nowhere near a unit vector.
$endgroup$
– Doug M
Jan 14 at 21:31




$begingroup$
If we relax the constraint that $v_1, v_2$ are unit vectors is our proposition true in the case $n=2,$ when $n>2$ it is possible that $v_i, v_j, v_k $ are nearly parallel to each other, and the result of their sum is nowhere near a unit vector.
$endgroup$
– Doug M
Jan 14 at 21:31












$begingroup$
Not even in the case $n=2$ the sum of two unit vectors is always a unit vector, but I don't see how it should be required that the sum of unit vectors is a unit vector for proving the statement. Am I missing something?
$endgroup$
– Tanatofobico
Jan 14 at 22:04




$begingroup$
Not even in the case $n=2$ the sum of two unit vectors is always a unit vector, but I don't see how it should be required that the sum of unit vectors is a unit vector for proving the statement. Am I missing something?
$endgroup$
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Jan 14 at 22:04










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Let $w=(0,1,0)$,



Let $theta in (0, frac{pi}2)$
$$v_1= (costheta, sin theta,0)$$



$$v_2=(-costheta, sin theta,0)$$
$$v_3= (cosfrac{theta}2, sin frac{theta}2,0)$$



We can check that $v_i in H(w)$.



$$sum_{i=1}^3 v_i = (cos frac{theta}2,2sin theta + sin frac{theta}2 ,0)$$



and begin{align}lim_{thetato 0^+}langle sum_{i=1}^3 v_i, v_2rangle&=lim_{thetato 0^+}left(-cos thetacos frac{theta}2+2sin^2theta+sin theta sin frac{ theta}2right) \
&=-1end{align}



In particular, if we let $theta=0.01$,



$$v_1 = (cos(0.01),sin(0.01),0),$$$$ v_2 = (-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0), $$$$v_3=(cos(0.005),sin(0.005),0).$$



We can check that $v_1+v_2+v_3 notin H(v_2).$



octave:3> w=[0,1,0]

w =



   0   1   0



octave:4> v1 = [cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]

v1 =



   0.99995   0.01000   0.00000



octave:5> v2 = [-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]

v2 =



  -0.99995   0.01000   0.00000





octave:7> v3 = [cos(0.005), sin(0.005), 0]

v3 =



   0.99999   0.00500   0.00000



octave:8> (v1+v2+v3)*v2'

ans = -0.99969





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    $begingroup$

    Let $w=(0,1,0)$,



    Let $theta in (0, frac{pi}2)$
    $$v_1= (costheta, sin theta,0)$$



    $$v_2=(-costheta, sin theta,0)$$
    $$v_3= (cosfrac{theta}2, sin frac{theta}2,0)$$



    We can check that $v_i in H(w)$.



    $$sum_{i=1}^3 v_i = (cos frac{theta}2,2sin theta + sin frac{theta}2 ,0)$$



    and begin{align}lim_{thetato 0^+}langle sum_{i=1}^3 v_i, v_2rangle&=lim_{thetato 0^+}left(-cos thetacos frac{theta}2+2sin^2theta+sin theta sin frac{ theta}2right) \
    &=-1end{align}



    In particular, if we let $theta=0.01$,



    $$v_1 = (cos(0.01),sin(0.01),0),$$$$ v_2 = (-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0), $$$$v_3=(cos(0.005),sin(0.005),0).$$



    We can check that $v_1+v_2+v_3 notin H(v_2).$



    octave:3> w=[0,1,0]
    
w =
    

    
   0   1   0
    

    
octave:4> v1 = [cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
    
v1 =
    

    
   0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
    

    
octave:5> v2 = [-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
    
v2 =
    

    
  -0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
    

    

    
octave:7> v3 = [cos(0.005), sin(0.005), 0]
    
v3 =
    

    
   0.99999   0.00500   0.00000
    

    
octave:8> (v1+v2+v3)*v2'
    
ans = -0.99969





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      $begingroup$

      Let $w=(0,1,0)$,



      Let $theta in (0, frac{pi}2)$
      $$v_1= (costheta, sin theta,0)$$



      $$v_2=(-costheta, sin theta,0)$$
      $$v_3= (cosfrac{theta}2, sin frac{theta}2,0)$$



      We can check that $v_i in H(w)$.



      $$sum_{i=1}^3 v_i = (cos frac{theta}2,2sin theta + sin frac{theta}2 ,0)$$



      and begin{align}lim_{thetato 0^+}langle sum_{i=1}^3 v_i, v_2rangle&=lim_{thetato 0^+}left(-cos thetacos frac{theta}2+2sin^2theta+sin theta sin frac{ theta}2right) \
      &=-1end{align}



      In particular, if we let $theta=0.01$,



      $$v_1 = (cos(0.01),sin(0.01),0),$$$$ v_2 = (-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0), $$$$v_3=(cos(0.005),sin(0.005),0).$$



      We can check that $v_1+v_2+v_3 notin H(v_2).$



      octave:3> w=[0,1,0]
      
w =
      

      
   0   1   0
      

      
octave:4> v1 = [cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
      
v1 =
      

      
   0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
      

      
octave:5> v2 = [-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
      
v2 =
      

      
  -0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
      

      

      
octave:7> v3 = [cos(0.005), sin(0.005), 0]
      
v3 =
      

      
   0.99999   0.00500   0.00000
      

      
octave:8> (v1+v2+v3)*v2'
      
ans = -0.99969





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        $begingroup$

        Let $w=(0,1,0)$,



        Let $theta in (0, frac{pi}2)$
        $$v_1= (costheta, sin theta,0)$$



        $$v_2=(-costheta, sin theta,0)$$
        $$v_3= (cosfrac{theta}2, sin frac{theta}2,0)$$



        We can check that $v_i in H(w)$.



        $$sum_{i=1}^3 v_i = (cos frac{theta}2,2sin theta + sin frac{theta}2 ,0)$$



        and begin{align}lim_{thetato 0^+}langle sum_{i=1}^3 v_i, v_2rangle&=lim_{thetato 0^+}left(-cos thetacos frac{theta}2+2sin^2theta+sin theta sin frac{ theta}2right) \
        &=-1end{align}



        In particular, if we let $theta=0.01$,



        $$v_1 = (cos(0.01),sin(0.01),0),$$$$ v_2 = (-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0), $$$$v_3=(cos(0.005),sin(0.005),0).$$



        We can check that $v_1+v_2+v_3 notin H(v_2).$



        octave:3> w=[0,1,0]
        
w =
        

        
   0   1   0
        

        
octave:4> v1 = [cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
        
v1 =
        

        
   0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
        

        
octave:5> v2 = [-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
        
v2 =
        

        
  -0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
        

        

        
octave:7> v3 = [cos(0.005), sin(0.005), 0]
        
v3 =
        

        
   0.99999   0.00500   0.00000
        

        
octave:8> (v1+v2+v3)*v2'
        
ans = -0.99969





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        Let $w=(0,1,0)$,



        Let $theta in (0, frac{pi}2)$
        $$v_1= (costheta, sin theta,0)$$



        $$v_2=(-costheta, sin theta,0)$$
        $$v_3= (cosfrac{theta}2, sin frac{theta}2,0)$$



        We can check that $v_i in H(w)$.



        $$sum_{i=1}^3 v_i = (cos frac{theta}2,2sin theta + sin frac{theta}2 ,0)$$



        and begin{align}lim_{thetato 0^+}langle sum_{i=1}^3 v_i, v_2rangle&=lim_{thetato 0^+}left(-cos thetacos frac{theta}2+2sin^2theta+sin theta sin frac{ theta}2right) \
        &=-1end{align}



        In particular, if we let $theta=0.01$,



        $$v_1 = (cos(0.01),sin(0.01),0),$$$$ v_2 = (-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0), $$$$v_3=(cos(0.005),sin(0.005),0).$$



        We can check that $v_1+v_2+v_3 notin H(v_2).$



        octave:3> w=[0,1,0]
        
w =
        

        
   0   1   0
        

        
octave:4> v1 = [cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
        
v1 =
        

        
   0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
        

        
octave:5> v2 = [-cos(0.01), sin(0.01), 0]
        
v2 =
        

        
  -0.99995   0.01000   0.00000
        

        

        
octave:7> v3 = [cos(0.005), sin(0.005), 0]
        
v3 =
        

        
   0.99999   0.00500   0.00000
        

        
octave:8> (v1+v2+v3)*v2'
        
ans = -0.99969






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