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A perfectly rough plane is inclined at an angle $alpha$ to the horizontal. What is the least eccentricity of an elliptic cylinder that resists rolling down the plane?










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    I do find this clear. "Perfetly rough" means you can't slide anything on it but you might be able to roll something. The problem is to find conditions where rolling alone causes the center of gravity to have local minima.
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A perfectly rough plane is inclined at an angle $alpha$ to the horizontal. What is the least eccentricity of an elliptic cylinder that resists rolling down the plane?










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    I do find this clear. "Perfetly rough" means you can't slide anything on it but you might be able to roll something. The problem is to find conditions where rolling alone causes the center of gravity to have local minima.
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    I do find this clear. "Perfetly rough" means you can't slide anything on it but you might be able to roll something. The problem is to find conditions where rolling alone causes the center of gravity to have local minima.
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    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 11:20












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    @NagaArjun Please feel free to revert if my edit is not ok.
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    – Narasimham
    Jan 13 at 11:21














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    I do find this clear. "Perfetly rough" means you can't slide anything on it but you might be able to roll something. The problem is to find conditions where rolling alone causes the center of gravity to have local minima.
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    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 11:20












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    @NagaArjun Please feel free to revert if my edit is not ok.
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I do find this clear. "Perfetly rough" means you can't slide anything on it but you might be able to roll something. The problem is to find conditions where rolling alone causes the center of gravity to have local minima.
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I do find this clear. "Perfetly rough" means you can't slide anything on it but you might be able to roll something. The problem is to find conditions where rolling alone causes the center of gravity to have local minima.
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At equilibrium, the weight $W$, the normal reaction $R$ and the friction $F$ should be concurrent (at the point of contact). The inclination $alpha$ is the angle between the radius vector and the corresponding normal.



Unit outward normal vector:



$$mathbf{n}=
frac{(bcos t,asin t)}{sqrt{a^2sin^2 t+b^2cos^2 t}}$$



Unit radius vector:



$$hat{mathbf{r}}=
frac{(acos t,bsin t)}{sqrt{a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t}}$$



Now



begin{align}
cos alpha &= mathbf{n} cdot hat{mathbf{r}} \
&= frac{ab}{sqrt{(a^2 sin^2 t+b^2 cos^2 t)(a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t)}} \
&= absqrt{frac{8}{a^4+6a^2b^2+b^4-(a^2-b^2)^2 cos 4t}}
end{align}



The upper and lower bounds are given by $t=npi/2$ and $t=(2n+1)pi/4$ respectively.



That is,



$$frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} le cos alpha le 1$$



$$cos^{-1} frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} ge alpha ge 0$$



Equivalently



$$frac{2sqrt{1-e^2}}{2-e^2} le cos alpha$$



On solving,



$$e^2 ge frac{2sin alpha}{1+sin alpha}$$






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    Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
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    I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
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    @NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
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    Jan 13 at 11:25










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    @NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
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    Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
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At equilibrium, the weight $W$, the normal reaction $R$ and the friction $F$ should be concurrent (at the point of contact). The inclination $alpha$ is the angle between the radius vector and the corresponding normal.



Unit outward normal vector:



$$mathbf{n}=
frac{(bcos t,asin t)}{sqrt{a^2sin^2 t+b^2cos^2 t}}$$



Unit radius vector:



$$hat{mathbf{r}}=
frac{(acos t,bsin t)}{sqrt{a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t}}$$



Now



begin{align}
cos alpha &= mathbf{n} cdot hat{mathbf{r}} \
&= frac{ab}{sqrt{(a^2 sin^2 t+b^2 cos^2 t)(a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t)}} \
&= absqrt{frac{8}{a^4+6a^2b^2+b^4-(a^2-b^2)^2 cos 4t}}
end{align}



The upper and lower bounds are given by $t=npi/2$ and $t=(2n+1)pi/4$ respectively.



That is,



$$frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} le cos alpha le 1$$



$$cos^{-1} frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} ge alpha ge 0$$



Equivalently



$$frac{2sqrt{1-e^2}}{2-e^2} le cos alpha$$



On solving,



$$e^2 ge frac{2sin alpha}{1+sin alpha}$$






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    Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
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    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:15










  • $begingroup$
    I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 11:15










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    @NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
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    – NagaArjun
    Jan 13 at 11:25










  • $begingroup$
    @NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:27










  • $begingroup$
    Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 14:22
















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At equilibrium, the weight $W$, the normal reaction $R$ and the friction $F$ should be concurrent (at the point of contact). The inclination $alpha$ is the angle between the radius vector and the corresponding normal.



Unit outward normal vector:



$$mathbf{n}=
frac{(bcos t,asin t)}{sqrt{a^2sin^2 t+b^2cos^2 t}}$$



Unit radius vector:



$$hat{mathbf{r}}=
frac{(acos t,bsin t)}{sqrt{a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t}}$$



Now



begin{align}
cos alpha &= mathbf{n} cdot hat{mathbf{r}} \
&= frac{ab}{sqrt{(a^2 sin^2 t+b^2 cos^2 t)(a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t)}} \
&= absqrt{frac{8}{a^4+6a^2b^2+b^4-(a^2-b^2)^2 cos 4t}}
end{align}



The upper and lower bounds are given by $t=npi/2$ and $t=(2n+1)pi/4$ respectively.



That is,



$$frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} le cos alpha le 1$$



$$cos^{-1} frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} ge alpha ge 0$$



Equivalently



$$frac{2sqrt{1-e^2}}{2-e^2} le cos alpha$$



On solving,



$$e^2 ge frac{2sin alpha}{1+sin alpha}$$






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    Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:15










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    I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
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    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 11:15










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    @NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
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    – NagaArjun
    Jan 13 at 11:25










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    @NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:27










  • $begingroup$
    Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 14:22














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At equilibrium, the weight $W$, the normal reaction $R$ and the friction $F$ should be concurrent (at the point of contact). The inclination $alpha$ is the angle between the radius vector and the corresponding normal.



Unit outward normal vector:



$$mathbf{n}=
frac{(bcos t,asin t)}{sqrt{a^2sin^2 t+b^2cos^2 t}}$$



Unit radius vector:



$$hat{mathbf{r}}=
frac{(acos t,bsin t)}{sqrt{a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t}}$$



Now



begin{align}
cos alpha &= mathbf{n} cdot hat{mathbf{r}} \
&= frac{ab}{sqrt{(a^2 sin^2 t+b^2 cos^2 t)(a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t)}} \
&= absqrt{frac{8}{a^4+6a^2b^2+b^4-(a^2-b^2)^2 cos 4t}}
end{align}



The upper and lower bounds are given by $t=npi/2$ and $t=(2n+1)pi/4$ respectively.



That is,



$$frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} le cos alpha le 1$$



$$cos^{-1} frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} ge alpha ge 0$$



Equivalently



$$frac{2sqrt{1-e^2}}{2-e^2} le cos alpha$$



On solving,



$$e^2 ge frac{2sin alpha}{1+sin alpha}$$






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At equilibrium, the weight $W$, the normal reaction $R$ and the friction $F$ should be concurrent (at the point of contact). The inclination $alpha$ is the angle between the radius vector and the corresponding normal.



Unit outward normal vector:



$$mathbf{n}=
frac{(bcos t,asin t)}{sqrt{a^2sin^2 t+b^2cos^2 t}}$$



Unit radius vector:



$$hat{mathbf{r}}=
frac{(acos t,bsin t)}{sqrt{a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t}}$$



Now



begin{align}
cos alpha &= mathbf{n} cdot hat{mathbf{r}} \
&= frac{ab}{sqrt{(a^2 sin^2 t+b^2 cos^2 t)(a^2cos^2 t+b^2sin^2 t)}} \
&= absqrt{frac{8}{a^4+6a^2b^2+b^4-(a^2-b^2)^2 cos 4t}}
end{align}



The upper and lower bounds are given by $t=npi/2$ and $t=(2n+1)pi/4$ respectively.



That is,



$$frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} le cos alpha le 1$$



$$cos^{-1} frac{2ab}{a^2+b^2} ge alpha ge 0$$



Equivalently



$$frac{2sqrt{1-e^2}}{2-e^2} le cos alpha$$



On solving,



$$e^2 ge frac{2sin alpha}{1+sin alpha}$$







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    Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:15










  • $begingroup$
    I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 11:15










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    @NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
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    – NagaArjun
    Jan 13 at 11:25










  • $begingroup$
    @NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:27










  • $begingroup$
    Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 14:22


















  • $begingroup$
    Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:15










  • $begingroup$
    I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 11:15










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    @NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
    $endgroup$
    – NagaArjun
    Jan 13 at 11:25










  • $begingroup$
    @NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
    $endgroup$
    – Ng Chung Tak
    Jan 13 at 11:27










  • $begingroup$
    Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jan 13 at 14:22
















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Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
$endgroup$
– Ng Chung Tak
Jan 13 at 11:15




$begingroup$
Not being stopped but have a position enabling equilibrium. That's not a stable equilibrium indeed.
$endgroup$
– Ng Chung Tak
Jan 13 at 11:15












$begingroup$
I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
$endgroup$
– Oscar Lanzi
Jan 13 at 11:15




$begingroup$
I would next apply the Pythagorean identity to render $sinalphale(e^2)/(2-e^2)$, which lends itself to an explicit expression for $e$ which is what the problem seems to ask.
$endgroup$
– Oscar Lanzi
Jan 13 at 11:15












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@NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
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– NagaArjun
Jan 13 at 11:25




$begingroup$
@NgChungTak can we do it without vector method?
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– NagaArjun
Jan 13 at 11:25












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@NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
$endgroup$
– Ng Chung Tak
Jan 13 at 11:27




$begingroup$
@NagaArjun, you may use the equation of normal namely, $$axsec t-bycsc t=a^2-b^2$$
$endgroup$
– Ng Chung Tak
Jan 13 at 11:27












$begingroup$
Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
$endgroup$
– Oscar Lanzi
Jan 13 at 14:22




$begingroup$
Re-expressed the bounds more intuitively. The mathematics remains the same. Also to prove the bounds, render the squared trig functions in terms of $cos 2t$ and apply $|cos 2t|le 1$.
$endgroup$
– Oscar Lanzi
Jan 13 at 14:22



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