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I’m operating an ATMega32 at 3v3 through USB and a LDO.



Is it possible to connect the AREF pin directly to the USB voltage of 5V so that I can read voltages between 0 and 5V when reading from the analog pins?










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    What does the datasheet say?
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    The microcontroller definitey can operate at 5V same applies to AREF it can operate under 5V, it is unclear to me if it can have a higher voltage than the one being fed through the VCC pins.
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    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:28








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    Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit: The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins. The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting. If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V or use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.
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    Thank you! I’ll use a voltage divider as it’s the best solution in my case.
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    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:31






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    To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video: youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw Making this and comment above an answer because, well it is.
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    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:32


















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I’m operating an ATMega32 at 3v3 through USB and a LDO.



Is it possible to connect the AREF pin directly to the USB voltage of 5V so that I can read voltages between 0 and 5V when reading from the analog pins?










share|improve this question









$endgroup$








  • 4




    $begingroup$
    What does the datasheet say?
    $endgroup$
    – Elliot Alderson
    Jan 8 at 15:22










  • $begingroup$
    The microcontroller definitey can operate at 5V same applies to AREF it can operate under 5V, it is unclear to me if it can have a higher voltage than the one being fed through the VCC pins.
    $endgroup$
    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:28








  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit: The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins. The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting. If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V or use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:28












  • $begingroup$
    Thank you! I’ll use a voltage divider as it’s the best solution in my case.
    $endgroup$
    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:31






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video: youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw Making this and comment above an answer because, well it is.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:32
















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I’m operating an ATMega32 at 3v3 through USB and a LDO.



Is it possible to connect the AREF pin directly to the USB voltage of 5V so that I can read voltages between 0 and 5V when reading from the analog pins?










share|improve this question









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I’m operating an ATMega32 at 3v3 through USB and a LDO.



Is it possible to connect the AREF pin directly to the USB voltage of 5V so that I can read voltages between 0 and 5V when reading from the analog pins?







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    $begingroup$
    What does the datasheet say?
    $endgroup$
    – Elliot Alderson
    Jan 8 at 15:22










  • $begingroup$
    The microcontroller definitey can operate at 5V same applies to AREF it can operate under 5V, it is unclear to me if it can have a higher voltage than the one being fed through the VCC pins.
    $endgroup$
    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:28








  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit: The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins. The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting. If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V or use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:28












  • $begingroup$
    Thank you! I’ll use a voltage divider as it’s the best solution in my case.
    $endgroup$
    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:31






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video: youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw Making this and comment above an answer because, well it is.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:32
















  • 4




    $begingroup$
    What does the datasheet say?
    $endgroup$
    – Elliot Alderson
    Jan 8 at 15:22










  • $begingroup$
    The microcontroller definitey can operate at 5V same applies to AREF it can operate under 5V, it is unclear to me if it can have a higher voltage than the one being fed through the VCC pins.
    $endgroup$
    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:28








  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit: The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins. The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting. If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V or use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:28












  • $begingroup$
    Thank you! I’ll use a voltage divider as it’s the best solution in my case.
    $endgroup$
    – Petru-Sebastian Toader
    Jan 8 at 15:31






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video: youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw Making this and comment above an answer because, well it is.
    $endgroup$
    – Bimpelrekkie
    Jan 8 at 15:32










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$begingroup$
What does the datasheet say?
$endgroup$
– Elliot Alderson
Jan 8 at 15:22




$begingroup$
What does the datasheet say?
$endgroup$
– Elliot Alderson
Jan 8 at 15:22












$begingroup$
The microcontroller definitey can operate at 5V same applies to AREF it can operate under 5V, it is unclear to me if it can have a higher voltage than the one being fed through the VCC pins.
$endgroup$
– Petru-Sebastian Toader
Jan 8 at 15:28






$begingroup$
The microcontroller definitey can operate at 5V same applies to AREF it can operate under 5V, it is unclear to me if it can have a higher voltage than the one being fed through the VCC pins.
$endgroup$
– Petru-Sebastian Toader
Jan 8 at 15:28






3




3




$begingroup$
Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit: The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins. The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting. If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V or use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
Jan 8 at 15:28






$begingroup$
Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit: The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins. The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting. If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V or use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
Jan 8 at 15:28














$begingroup$
Thank you! I’ll use a voltage divider as it’s the best solution in my case.
$endgroup$
– Petru-Sebastian Toader
Jan 8 at 15:31




$begingroup$
Thank you! I’ll use a voltage divider as it’s the best solution in my case.
$endgroup$
– Petru-Sebastian Toader
Jan 8 at 15:31




3




3




$begingroup$
To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video: youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw Making this and comment above an answer because, well it is.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
Jan 8 at 15:32






$begingroup$
To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video: youtube.com/watch?v=2yFh7Vv0Paw Making this and comment above an answer because, well it is.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
Jan 8 at 15:32












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Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit:



The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins.



The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting.



So if you connect 5 V to AREF, the VDD supply of the uC will be pulled up to about 4.4 V ! But you supplied 3.3 V via an LDO. Yes, then the LDO will do nothing.



If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V



or



use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.



To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video






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    Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit:



    The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins.



    The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting.



    So if you connect 5 V to AREF, the VDD supply of the uC will be pulled up to about 4.4 V ! But you supplied 3.3 V via an LDO. Yes, then the LDO will do nothing.



    If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V



    or



    use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.



    To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video






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      Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit:



      The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins.



      The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting.



      So if you connect 5 V to AREF, the VDD supply of the uC will be pulled up to about 4.4 V ! But you supplied 3.3 V via an LDO. Yes, then the LDO will do nothing.



      If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V



      or



      use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.



      To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video






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        Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit:



        The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins.



        The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting.



        So if you connect 5 V to AREF, the VDD supply of the uC will be pulled up to about 4.4 V ! But you supplied 3.3 V via an LDO. Yes, then the LDO will do nothing.



        If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V



        or



        use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.



        To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video






        share|improve this answer









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        Indeed this information will be in the datasheet, but since it might be difficult to find I'll help a bit:



        The datasheet will state that the voltages at the uC's inputs/outputs cannot exceed the voltage on the VDD pins.



        The reason for this is the ESD protection diodes. As soon as the voltage at AREF becomes higher than VDD + 0.5 V the AREF's ESD diode will start conducting.



        So if you connect 5 V to AREF, the VDD supply of the uC will be pulled up to about 4.4 V ! But you supplied 3.3 V via an LDO. Yes, then the LDO will do nothing.



        If you want a 5 V input range either power the uC with 5 V



        or



        use a voltage divider to lower the input voltage to the ADC.



        To learn more about what issues the ESD diodes can cause, watch this EEVBlog video







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