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I notice there is a certain similarity between the definition of a valuation ring and the definition of an ultrafilter.



To begin, take a field $K$ and let $mathcal{A}$ be the set of subrings of $K$. Let $mathcal{B}'$ be the class of pairs $(nu, Lambda)$, where $Lambda$ is a partially ordered abelian group, and $nu : K^times rightarrow Lambda$ is a surjective map of abelian groups such that $nu(a),nu (b) geq 0 implies nu(a+b) geq 0$. Note that $nu$ does necessarily respect the partial order of $Lambda$. We form the set $mathcal{B}$ of equivalence classes of elements in $mathcal{B}'$, where $(nu, Lambda) sim (nu', Lambda')$ when $nu$ factors through $nu'$ by an isomorphism of partially ordered abelian groups.



There is a $1$-to-$1$ correspondence between $mathcal{A}$ and $mathcal{B}$. We send a subring $R$ of $K$ to the abelian group $K^times / R^times$, with the smallest admissible partial order generated by declaring elements $r R^times$ to be non-negative, paried with the natural map $K^times rightarrow K^times /R^times$. We send a pair $(nu, Lambda)$ in $mathcal{B}$ to ${ r in K : nu(r) geq 0 }$.



To see the similarity, take a boolean algebra $A$ with filter $F$ and a field $K$ with subring $R$ inducing a pair $(nu, Lambda)$. To make the similarity more clear, I want to change the notation a bit for the field $K$: for $a, b in K$, write $a leq b$ when $nu(a) leq nu(b)$. Write $a wedge b$ for $a + b$. Write $a^c$ for $a^{-1}$ ($c$ for complement). Then we have



1) $a, b in R implies a wedge b in R forall a,b in K^times$, just as $a, b in F implies a wedge b in F forall a, b in A$.



2) $1 in R$, just as $1 in F$.



3) $a in R, a leq b implies b in R$, just as $a in F, a leq b implies b in F$.



4) $R$ is a valuation ring when $a in R$ or $a^c in R$ for all $a in K^times$, just as $F$ is an ultrafilter when $a in F$ or $a^c in F$ forall $a in A$.



Can anyone illuminate the similarity going on here? How is $K^times$ formally like a boolean algebra?










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    $mathcal{B}$ is not a set. You want to mod out by some equivalence relation.
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    Good point. I fixed it.
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I notice there is a certain similarity between the definition of a valuation ring and the definition of an ultrafilter.



To begin, take a field $K$ and let $mathcal{A}$ be the set of subrings of $K$. Let $mathcal{B}'$ be the class of pairs $(nu, Lambda)$, where $Lambda$ is a partially ordered abelian group, and $nu : K^times rightarrow Lambda$ is a surjective map of abelian groups such that $nu(a),nu (b) geq 0 implies nu(a+b) geq 0$. Note that $nu$ does necessarily respect the partial order of $Lambda$. We form the set $mathcal{B}$ of equivalence classes of elements in $mathcal{B}'$, where $(nu, Lambda) sim (nu', Lambda')$ when $nu$ factors through $nu'$ by an isomorphism of partially ordered abelian groups.



There is a $1$-to-$1$ correspondence between $mathcal{A}$ and $mathcal{B}$. We send a subring $R$ of $K$ to the abelian group $K^times / R^times$, with the smallest admissible partial order generated by declaring elements $r R^times$ to be non-negative, paried with the natural map $K^times rightarrow K^times /R^times$. We send a pair $(nu, Lambda)$ in $mathcal{B}$ to ${ r in K : nu(r) geq 0 }$.



To see the similarity, take a boolean algebra $A$ with filter $F$ and a field $K$ with subring $R$ inducing a pair $(nu, Lambda)$. To make the similarity more clear, I want to change the notation a bit for the field $K$: for $a, b in K$, write $a leq b$ when $nu(a) leq nu(b)$. Write $a wedge b$ for $a + b$. Write $a^c$ for $a^{-1}$ ($c$ for complement). Then we have



1) $a, b in R implies a wedge b in R forall a,b in K^times$, just as $a, b in F implies a wedge b in F forall a, b in A$.



2) $1 in R$, just as $1 in F$.



3) $a in R, a leq b implies b in R$, just as $a in F, a leq b implies b in F$.



4) $R$ is a valuation ring when $a in R$ or $a^c in R$ for all $a in K^times$, just as $F$ is an ultrafilter when $a in F$ or $a^c in F$ forall $a in A$.



Can anyone illuminate the similarity going on here? How is $K^times$ formally like a boolean algebra?










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    $mathcal{B}$ is not a set. You want to mod out by some equivalence relation.
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    Jan 27 at 21:19










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    Good point. I fixed it.
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I notice there is a certain similarity between the definition of a valuation ring and the definition of an ultrafilter.



To begin, take a field $K$ and let $mathcal{A}$ be the set of subrings of $K$. Let $mathcal{B}'$ be the class of pairs $(nu, Lambda)$, where $Lambda$ is a partially ordered abelian group, and $nu : K^times rightarrow Lambda$ is a surjective map of abelian groups such that $nu(a),nu (b) geq 0 implies nu(a+b) geq 0$. Note that $nu$ does necessarily respect the partial order of $Lambda$. We form the set $mathcal{B}$ of equivalence classes of elements in $mathcal{B}'$, where $(nu, Lambda) sim (nu', Lambda')$ when $nu$ factors through $nu'$ by an isomorphism of partially ordered abelian groups.



There is a $1$-to-$1$ correspondence between $mathcal{A}$ and $mathcal{B}$. We send a subring $R$ of $K$ to the abelian group $K^times / R^times$, with the smallest admissible partial order generated by declaring elements $r R^times$ to be non-negative, paried with the natural map $K^times rightarrow K^times /R^times$. We send a pair $(nu, Lambda)$ in $mathcal{B}$ to ${ r in K : nu(r) geq 0 }$.



To see the similarity, take a boolean algebra $A$ with filter $F$ and a field $K$ with subring $R$ inducing a pair $(nu, Lambda)$. To make the similarity more clear, I want to change the notation a bit for the field $K$: for $a, b in K$, write $a leq b$ when $nu(a) leq nu(b)$. Write $a wedge b$ for $a + b$. Write $a^c$ for $a^{-1}$ ($c$ for complement). Then we have



1) $a, b in R implies a wedge b in R forall a,b in K^times$, just as $a, b in F implies a wedge b in F forall a, b in A$.



2) $1 in R$, just as $1 in F$.



3) $a in R, a leq b implies b in R$, just as $a in F, a leq b implies b in F$.



4) $R$ is a valuation ring when $a in R$ or $a^c in R$ for all $a in K^times$, just as $F$ is an ultrafilter when $a in F$ or $a^c in F$ forall $a in A$.



Can anyone illuminate the similarity going on here? How is $K^times$ formally like a boolean algebra?










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I notice there is a certain similarity between the definition of a valuation ring and the definition of an ultrafilter.



To begin, take a field $K$ and let $mathcal{A}$ be the set of subrings of $K$. Let $mathcal{B}'$ be the class of pairs $(nu, Lambda)$, where $Lambda$ is a partially ordered abelian group, and $nu : K^times rightarrow Lambda$ is a surjective map of abelian groups such that $nu(a),nu (b) geq 0 implies nu(a+b) geq 0$. Note that $nu$ does necessarily respect the partial order of $Lambda$. We form the set $mathcal{B}$ of equivalence classes of elements in $mathcal{B}'$, where $(nu, Lambda) sim (nu', Lambda')$ when $nu$ factors through $nu'$ by an isomorphism of partially ordered abelian groups.



There is a $1$-to-$1$ correspondence between $mathcal{A}$ and $mathcal{B}$. We send a subring $R$ of $K$ to the abelian group $K^times / R^times$, with the smallest admissible partial order generated by declaring elements $r R^times$ to be non-negative, paried with the natural map $K^times rightarrow K^times /R^times$. We send a pair $(nu, Lambda)$ in $mathcal{B}$ to ${ r in K : nu(r) geq 0 }$.



To see the similarity, take a boolean algebra $A$ with filter $F$ and a field $K$ with subring $R$ inducing a pair $(nu, Lambda)$. To make the similarity more clear, I want to change the notation a bit for the field $K$: for $a, b in K$, write $a leq b$ when $nu(a) leq nu(b)$. Write $a wedge b$ for $a + b$. Write $a^c$ for $a^{-1}$ ($c$ for complement). Then we have



1) $a, b in R implies a wedge b in R forall a,b in K^times$, just as $a, b in F implies a wedge b in F forall a, b in A$.



2) $1 in R$, just as $1 in F$.



3) $a in R, a leq b implies b in R$, just as $a in F, a leq b implies b in F$.



4) $R$ is a valuation ring when $a in R$ or $a^c in R$ for all $a in K^times$, just as $F$ is an ultrafilter when $a in F$ or $a^c in F$ forall $a in A$.



Can anyone illuminate the similarity going on here? How is $K^times$ formally like a boolean algebra?







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    $mathcal{B}$ is not a set. You want to mod out by some equivalence relation.
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    Good point. I fixed it.
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    $mathcal{B}$ is not a set. You want to mod out by some equivalence relation.
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    Jan 27 at 21:19










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    Good point. I fixed it.
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$mathcal{B}$ is not a set. You want to mod out by some equivalence relation.
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– YCor
Jan 27 at 21:19




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$mathcal{B}$ is not a set. You want to mod out by some equivalence relation.
$endgroup$
– YCor
Jan 27 at 21:19












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Good point. I fixed it.
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The similarity has nothing to do with boolean algebras, but with orders in general. Filters can be defined for every partial order: A subset $Phi$ of a poset $Lambda$ is a filter if




  • $Phineqemptyset$


  • $forall a,binPhi exists cinPhi: cleq a wedge cleq b$.

  • $forall ain Phiforall binLambda: aleq b implies binPhi$


If $Lambda$ has a greatest element $infty$, then the first condition can be replaced by $inftyinPhi$. If $Lambda$ has meets, then the second condition can be replaced by $forall a,binPhi: awedge b in Phi$.



What you observe is simply that the order on $Lambda:=K^times / R^times$ is defined in such a way that $nu(R)$ is a filter in $Lambdasqcup{infty}$ (where we define $nu(0) := infty$ as usual), namely the filter of all elements which are greater or equal $0=nu(1)$.



In fact you can do this more generally find that $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is an $R$-submodule of $K$ for every filter $PhisubseteqLambdasqcup{infty}$.



At least for some rings, say UFD rings $R$ and their quotient fields $K$, the reverse is also true and we get a bijection
$$begin{array}{rcl} {Lsubseteq K ;Rtext{-submodule}} & overset{cong}{leftrightarrow} & {Phi subseteq Lambdasqcup{infty} ;text{filter}} \
L &mapsto& nu(L) \
nu^{-1}(Phi) &leftarrow& Phi
end{array}$$



If the filter is also a submonoid of $(Lambda,+)$, then $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is also multiplicatively closed, i.e. a $R$-algebra.



Now what a submonoid that is a filter must contain $0$ and therefore all larger elements, i.e. they contain all of $Lambda_{geq 0}$. They are also additively closed. In other words, they are a positive cone for an extension of the partial order on $Lambda$. The maximal submonoid-filters therefore correspond to maximal extensions of the partial order, i.e. total orders. And $K^times / R^times$ is totally ordered iff $R$ is a valuation ring.






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    Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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    See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
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    Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
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The similarity has nothing to do with boolean algebras, but with orders in general. Filters can be defined for every partial order: A subset $Phi$ of a poset $Lambda$ is a filter if




  • $Phineqemptyset$


  • $forall a,binPhi exists cinPhi: cleq a wedge cleq b$.

  • $forall ain Phiforall binLambda: aleq b implies binPhi$


If $Lambda$ has a greatest element $infty$, then the first condition can be replaced by $inftyinPhi$. If $Lambda$ has meets, then the second condition can be replaced by $forall a,binPhi: awedge b in Phi$.



What you observe is simply that the order on $Lambda:=K^times / R^times$ is defined in such a way that $nu(R)$ is a filter in $Lambdasqcup{infty}$ (where we define $nu(0) := infty$ as usual), namely the filter of all elements which are greater or equal $0=nu(1)$.



In fact you can do this more generally find that $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is an $R$-submodule of $K$ for every filter $PhisubseteqLambdasqcup{infty}$.



At least for some rings, say UFD rings $R$ and their quotient fields $K$, the reverse is also true and we get a bijection
$$begin{array}{rcl} {Lsubseteq K ;Rtext{-submodule}} & overset{cong}{leftrightarrow} & {Phi subseteq Lambdasqcup{infty} ;text{filter}} \
L &mapsto& nu(L) \
nu^{-1}(Phi) &leftarrow& Phi
end{array}$$



If the filter is also a submonoid of $(Lambda,+)$, then $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is also multiplicatively closed, i.e. a $R$-algebra.



Now what a submonoid that is a filter must contain $0$ and therefore all larger elements, i.e. they contain all of $Lambda_{geq 0}$. They are also additively closed. In other words, they are a positive cone for an extension of the partial order on $Lambda$. The maximal submonoid-filters therefore correspond to maximal extensions of the partial order, i.e. total orders. And $K^times / R^times$ is totally ordered iff $R$ is a valuation ring.






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    Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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    See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
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    Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
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$begingroup$

The similarity has nothing to do with boolean algebras, but with orders in general. Filters can be defined for every partial order: A subset $Phi$ of a poset $Lambda$ is a filter if




  • $Phineqemptyset$


  • $forall a,binPhi exists cinPhi: cleq a wedge cleq b$.

  • $forall ain Phiforall binLambda: aleq b implies binPhi$


If $Lambda$ has a greatest element $infty$, then the first condition can be replaced by $inftyinPhi$. If $Lambda$ has meets, then the second condition can be replaced by $forall a,binPhi: awedge b in Phi$.



What you observe is simply that the order on $Lambda:=K^times / R^times$ is defined in such a way that $nu(R)$ is a filter in $Lambdasqcup{infty}$ (where we define $nu(0) := infty$ as usual), namely the filter of all elements which are greater or equal $0=nu(1)$.



In fact you can do this more generally find that $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is an $R$-submodule of $K$ for every filter $PhisubseteqLambdasqcup{infty}$.



At least for some rings, say UFD rings $R$ and their quotient fields $K$, the reverse is also true and we get a bijection
$$begin{array}{rcl} {Lsubseteq K ;Rtext{-submodule}} & overset{cong}{leftrightarrow} & {Phi subseteq Lambdasqcup{infty} ;text{filter}} \
L &mapsto& nu(L) \
nu^{-1}(Phi) &leftarrow& Phi
end{array}$$



If the filter is also a submonoid of $(Lambda,+)$, then $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is also multiplicatively closed, i.e. a $R$-algebra.



Now what a submonoid that is a filter must contain $0$ and therefore all larger elements, i.e. they contain all of $Lambda_{geq 0}$. They are also additively closed. In other words, they are a positive cone for an extension of the partial order on $Lambda$. The maximal submonoid-filters therefore correspond to maximal extensions of the partial order, i.e. total orders. And $K^times / R^times$ is totally ordered iff $R$ is a valuation ring.






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    Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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    – Dean Young
    Jan 29 at 0:47










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    See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
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    – Dean Young
    Jan 29 at 1:00










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    Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
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    – Dean Young
    Jan 29 at 1:04














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$begingroup$

The similarity has nothing to do with boolean algebras, but with orders in general. Filters can be defined for every partial order: A subset $Phi$ of a poset $Lambda$ is a filter if




  • $Phineqemptyset$


  • $forall a,binPhi exists cinPhi: cleq a wedge cleq b$.

  • $forall ain Phiforall binLambda: aleq b implies binPhi$


If $Lambda$ has a greatest element $infty$, then the first condition can be replaced by $inftyinPhi$. If $Lambda$ has meets, then the second condition can be replaced by $forall a,binPhi: awedge b in Phi$.



What you observe is simply that the order on $Lambda:=K^times / R^times$ is defined in such a way that $nu(R)$ is a filter in $Lambdasqcup{infty}$ (where we define $nu(0) := infty$ as usual), namely the filter of all elements which are greater or equal $0=nu(1)$.



In fact you can do this more generally find that $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is an $R$-submodule of $K$ for every filter $PhisubseteqLambdasqcup{infty}$.



At least for some rings, say UFD rings $R$ and their quotient fields $K$, the reverse is also true and we get a bijection
$$begin{array}{rcl} {Lsubseteq K ;Rtext{-submodule}} & overset{cong}{leftrightarrow} & {Phi subseteq Lambdasqcup{infty} ;text{filter}} \
L &mapsto& nu(L) \
nu^{-1}(Phi) &leftarrow& Phi
end{array}$$



If the filter is also a submonoid of $(Lambda,+)$, then $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is also multiplicatively closed, i.e. a $R$-algebra.



Now what a submonoid that is a filter must contain $0$ and therefore all larger elements, i.e. they contain all of $Lambda_{geq 0}$. They are also additively closed. In other words, they are a positive cone for an extension of the partial order on $Lambda$. The maximal submonoid-filters therefore correspond to maximal extensions of the partial order, i.e. total orders. And $K^times / R^times$ is totally ordered iff $R$ is a valuation ring.






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The similarity has nothing to do with boolean algebras, but with orders in general. Filters can be defined for every partial order: A subset $Phi$ of a poset $Lambda$ is a filter if




  • $Phineqemptyset$


  • $forall a,binPhi exists cinPhi: cleq a wedge cleq b$.

  • $forall ain Phiforall binLambda: aleq b implies binPhi$


If $Lambda$ has a greatest element $infty$, then the first condition can be replaced by $inftyinPhi$. If $Lambda$ has meets, then the second condition can be replaced by $forall a,binPhi: awedge b in Phi$.



What you observe is simply that the order on $Lambda:=K^times / R^times$ is defined in such a way that $nu(R)$ is a filter in $Lambdasqcup{infty}$ (where we define $nu(0) := infty$ as usual), namely the filter of all elements which are greater or equal $0=nu(1)$.



In fact you can do this more generally find that $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is an $R$-submodule of $K$ for every filter $PhisubseteqLambdasqcup{infty}$.



At least for some rings, say UFD rings $R$ and their quotient fields $K$, the reverse is also true and we get a bijection
$$begin{array}{rcl} {Lsubseteq K ;Rtext{-submodule}} & overset{cong}{leftrightarrow} & {Phi subseteq Lambdasqcup{infty} ;text{filter}} \
L &mapsto& nu(L) \
nu^{-1}(Phi) &leftarrow& Phi
end{array}$$



If the filter is also a submonoid of $(Lambda,+)$, then $nu^{-1}(Phi)$ is also multiplicatively closed, i.e. a $R$-algebra.



Now what a submonoid that is a filter must contain $0$ and therefore all larger elements, i.e. they contain all of $Lambda_{geq 0}$. They are also additively closed. In other words, they are a positive cone for an extension of the partial order on $Lambda$. The maximal submonoid-filters therefore correspond to maximal extensions of the partial order, i.e. total orders. And $K^times / R^times$ is totally ordered iff $R$ is a valuation ring.







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    Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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    See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
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    – Dean Young
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    Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
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  • $begingroup$
    Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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    – Dean Young
    Jan 29 at 0:47










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    See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
    $endgroup$
    – Dean Young
    Jan 29 at 1:00










  • $begingroup$
    Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
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    – Dean Young
    Jan 29 at 1:04
















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Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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– Dean Young
Jan 29 at 0:47




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Would it be possible to use this correspondence to give an alternative proof that valuation rings are maximal in general? Also, could you elaborate a bit on how submonoid filters of $Lambda$ are in correspondence with extensions of the partial order?
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– Dean Young
Jan 29 at 0:47












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See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
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– Dean Young
Jan 29 at 1:00




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See here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3091610/…
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– Dean Young
Jan 29 at 1:00












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Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
$endgroup$
– Dean Young
Jan 29 at 1:04




$begingroup$
Also, is there a place where I could read about this in more detail?
$endgroup$
– Dean Young
Jan 29 at 1:04


















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