What was the first chess engine that could beat the world champion on a standard desktop?
What was the first chess engine that could beat the world chess champion when running on a standard desktop playing at standard speeds (i.e. not blitz chess)? For concreteness, say a $1000 PC.
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What was the first chess engine that could beat the world chess champion when running on a standard desktop playing at standard speeds (i.e. not blitz chess)? For concreteness, say a $1000 PC.
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What was the first chess engine that could beat the world chess champion when running on a standard desktop playing at standard speeds (i.e. not blitz chess)? For concreteness, say a $1000 PC.
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Deep Blue was a super computer. In the 2006 match, Kramnik was defeated by Deep Fritz that everybody could buy.
In a November 2006 match between Deep Fritz and world chess champion
Vladimir Kramnik, the program ran on a computer system containing a
dual-core Intel Xeon 5160 CPU, capable of evaluating only 8 million
positions per second, but searching to an average depth of 17 to 18
plies in the middlegame thanks to heuristics; it won 4–2.[31][32]
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The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
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@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
2
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
5
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
2
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
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A standard desktop today is significantly more powerful than whatever machine Deep Blue was running on in the mid-1990s against Kasparov. Since Deep Blue was the first engine to beat a world champion, that's the answer to your question.
Note that there may have been an engine before Deep Blue that, if it ran on a modern day desktop, could have beat Kasparov. But we never saw such a match happen so it's just speculation to say any earlier engine than Deep Blue.
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
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Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
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Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
1
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
8
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
3
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
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Deep Blue was a super computer. In the 2006 match, Kramnik was defeated by Deep Fritz that everybody could buy.
In a November 2006 match between Deep Fritz and world chess champion
Vladimir Kramnik, the program ran on a computer system containing a
dual-core Intel Xeon 5160 CPU, capable of evaluating only 8 million
positions per second, but searching to an average depth of 17 to 18
plies in the middlegame thanks to heuristics; it won 4–2.[31][32]
(source)
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The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
3
@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
2
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
5
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
2
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
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Deep Blue was a super computer. In the 2006 match, Kramnik was defeated by Deep Fritz that everybody could buy.
In a November 2006 match between Deep Fritz and world chess champion
Vladimir Kramnik, the program ran on a computer system containing a
dual-core Intel Xeon 5160 CPU, capable of evaluating only 8 million
positions per second, but searching to an average depth of 17 to 18
plies in the middlegame thanks to heuristics; it won 4–2.[31][32]
(source)
edited Feb 4 at 19:16
Riker
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SmallChessSmallChess
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The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
3
@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
2
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
5
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
2
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
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Deep Blue was a super computer. In the 2006 match, Kramnik was defeated by Deep Fritz that everybody could buy.
In a November 2006 match between Deep Fritz and world chess champion
Vladimir Kramnik, the program ran on a computer system containing a
dual-core Intel Xeon 5160 CPU, capable of evaluating only 8 million
positions per second, but searching to an average depth of 17 to 18
plies in the middlegame thanks to heuristics; it won 4–2.[31][32]
(source)
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Deep Blue was a super computer. In the 2006 match, Kramnik was defeated by Deep Fritz that everybody could buy.
In a November 2006 match between Deep Fritz and world chess champion
Vladimir Kramnik, the program ran on a computer system containing a
dual-core Intel Xeon 5160 CPU, capable of evaluating only 8 million
positions per second, but searching to an average depth of 17 to 18
plies in the middlegame thanks to heuristics; it won 4–2.[31][32]
(source)
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The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
3
@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
2
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
5
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
2
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
|
show 11 more comments
4
The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
3
@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
2
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
5
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
2
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
4
4
The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
The comparison between a 1997 supercomputer and a 2006 standard machine isn't necessarily trivial.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:20
3
3
@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
@InertialIgnorance I don't know but I am sure you couldn't afford IBM Deep Blue.
– SmallChess
Feb 3 at 23:23
2
2
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
True, but I'm talking about the comparison between computational speeds. A mobile phone today is much faster than a supercomputer in the 50's, even though the latter costed way more at the time.
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 23:25
5
5
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
@InertialIgnorance A mobile phone today would have made the supercomputer TOP 500 list in the mid 1990s, nevermind the 1950s!
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:05
2
2
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
For reference, Deep Blue was evaluating 100 million (first version) to 200 million (updated) positions per second, but to a depth of only 6-8moves on average (to a max of 20 in some cases). Deep Fritz had better heuristics, allowing it deeper searches with fewer evaluations.
– J...
Feb 4 at 13:13
|
show 11 more comments
A standard desktop today is significantly more powerful than whatever machine Deep Blue was running on in the mid-1990s against Kasparov. Since Deep Blue was the first engine to beat a world champion, that's the answer to your question.
Note that there may have been an engine before Deep Blue that, if it ran on a modern day desktop, could have beat Kasparov. But we never saw such a match happen so it's just speculation to say any earlier engine than Deep Blue.
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
5
Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
8
Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
1
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
8
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
3
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
|
show 3 more comments
A standard desktop today is significantly more powerful than whatever machine Deep Blue was running on in the mid-1990s against Kasparov. Since Deep Blue was the first engine to beat a world champion, that's the answer to your question.
Note that there may have been an engine before Deep Blue that, if it ran on a modern day desktop, could have beat Kasparov. But we never saw such a match happen so it's just speculation to say any earlier engine than Deep Blue.
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
5
Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
8
Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
1
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
8
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
3
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
|
show 3 more comments
A standard desktop today is significantly more powerful than whatever machine Deep Blue was running on in the mid-1990s against Kasparov. Since Deep Blue was the first engine to beat a world champion, that's the answer to your question.
Note that there may have been an engine before Deep Blue that, if it ran on a modern day desktop, could have beat Kasparov. But we never saw such a match happen so it's just speculation to say any earlier engine than Deep Blue.
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
A standard desktop today is significantly more powerful than whatever machine Deep Blue was running on in the mid-1990s against Kasparov. Since Deep Blue was the first engine to beat a world champion, that's the answer to your question.
Note that there may have been an engine before Deep Blue that, if it ran on a modern day desktop, could have beat Kasparov. But we never saw such a match happen so it's just speculation to say any earlier engine than Deep Blue.
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
answered Feb 3 at 19:57
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
5,197513
5,197513
5
Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
8
Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
1
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
8
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
3
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
|
show 3 more comments
5
Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
8
Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
1
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
8
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
3
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
5
5
Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
Thanks for this. It seems according to the wiki that Deep Blue was running at 11.38 GFLOPS which is roughly the speed of a cheap PC these days. However it's not 100% clear Deep Blue was better than Kasparov. The match was controversial.
– Anush
Feb 3 at 20:01
8
8
Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
Note peak FLOPS and achieved FLOPS are very different things. And I'm not sure that FLOPS is actually a reasonable measure of performance in this case - Ian the HPC guy
– Ian Bush
Feb 3 at 20:30
1
1
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
Yes, the match was controversial. If you don't accept that Deep Blue was superior though, you could select the next engine that beat a world champion in a match (there's a list in the wikipedia page on "Computer Chess").
– Inertial Ignorance
Feb 3 at 21:35
8
8
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
Deep Blue used significant amounts of custom hardware. It is not the answer to the question because it cannot "run on a standard desktop."
– David Richerby
Feb 4 at 14:41
3
3
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
Due to the specific hardware used by Deep Blue I am not certain that the assumption about powerful holds. A 10 year old GPU can probably still outperform a modern CPU when rendering graphics.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Feb 4 at 16:08
|
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