Differentiate $f ( x ) = frac { ln left( x ^ { 2 } cos ( x ) right) } { sqrt { 1 - x ^ { 2 } } }$
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could I get a clue as I dont even know where to begin , I thought about the quotient rule but thats making another quotient rule necessary and I have a cos x within a ln , I really dont even know where to begin for me to show my own working of the problem.
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could I get a clue as I dont even know where to begin , I thought about the quotient rule but thats making another quotient rule necessary and I have a cos x within a ln , I really dont even know where to begin for me to show my own working of the problem.
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Read about the chain rule
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Jan 14 at 8:33
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could I get a clue as I dont even know where to begin , I thought about the quotient rule but thats making another quotient rule necessary and I have a cos x within a ln , I really dont even know where to begin for me to show my own working of the problem.
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could I get a clue as I dont even know where to begin , I thought about the quotient rule but thats making another quotient rule necessary and I have a cos x within a ln , I really dont even know where to begin for me to show my own working of the problem.
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Read about the chain rule
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Read about the chain rule
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Read about the chain rule
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I would use logarithmic differentiation. Setting $u(x)=x^2cos x$, we have
begin{align}
frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}&=frac{u'(x)}{u(x)ln u(x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2} =frac{2xcos x-x^2sin x}{x^2cos x,ln(x^2cos x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2}\[1ex]
&=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos x,ln(x^2cos x)}+frac x{1-x^2},
end{align}
whence
$$f'(x)=frac{f'(x)}{f(x)},f(x)=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos xsqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{xln(x^2cos x)}{(1-x^2)^{3/2}}.$$
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:05
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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Jan 14 at 9:13
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I thought about the quotient rule
That's right!
There's a quotient of the functions $g(x)= ln left( x ^ { 2 } cos ( x ) right)$ and $h(x)= sqrt { 1 - x ^ { 2 } }$ so if you can find $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$, the derivative $f'(x)$ follows as:
$$f'(x)=frac{g'(x)h(x)-g(x)h'(x)}{h(x)^2}$$
I don't know why you think you'd need another quotient rule afterwards?
For $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$ you need to apply the chain rule and for the "inner part" $x ^ { 2 } cos ( x )$ you'll need the product rule as well: break it down step by step.
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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The quotient rule is a good idea. First differentiate $ln(x^2 cos (x))$ with the chain rule and the product rule.
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We have $${dover dx}ln {x^2cos x}={1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}\{dover dx}sqrt{1-x^2}=-{xover sqrt{1-x^2}}$$therefore by defining $g(x)=ln x^2cos x$ and $h(x)=sqrt{1-x^2}$ and using $left({gover h}right)'={g'h-gh'over h^2}$ we finally obtain$$f'(x){=left({gover h}right)'=left({g'h-gh'over h^2}right)(x)\={left({1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2over x} {-tan x}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2} {-xtan x}right)(1-x^2)+x^2ln x^2cos xover x(1-x^2)sqrt{1-x^2}}}$$ for $|x|<1$ and $xne 0$.
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I would use logarithmic differentiation. Setting $u(x)=x^2cos x$, we have
begin{align}
frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}&=frac{u'(x)}{u(x)ln u(x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2} =frac{2xcos x-x^2sin x}{x^2cos x,ln(x^2cos x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2}\[1ex]
&=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos x,ln(x^2cos x)}+frac x{1-x^2},
end{align}
whence
$$f'(x)=frac{f'(x)}{f(x)},f(x)=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos xsqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{xln(x^2cos x)}{(1-x^2)^{3/2}}.$$
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:05
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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Jan 14 at 9:13
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I would use logarithmic differentiation. Setting $u(x)=x^2cos x$, we have
begin{align}
frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}&=frac{u'(x)}{u(x)ln u(x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2} =frac{2xcos x-x^2sin x}{x^2cos x,ln(x^2cos x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2}\[1ex]
&=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos x,ln(x^2cos x)}+frac x{1-x^2},
end{align}
whence
$$f'(x)=frac{f'(x)}{f(x)},f(x)=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos xsqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{xln(x^2cos x)}{(1-x^2)^{3/2}}.$$
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:05
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:13
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I would use logarithmic differentiation. Setting $u(x)=x^2cos x$, we have
begin{align}
frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}&=frac{u'(x)}{u(x)ln u(x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2} =frac{2xcos x-x^2sin x}{x^2cos x,ln(x^2cos x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2}\[1ex]
&=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos x,ln(x^2cos x)}+frac x{1-x^2},
end{align}
whence
$$f'(x)=frac{f'(x)}{f(x)},f(x)=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos xsqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{xln(x^2cos x)}{(1-x^2)^{3/2}}.$$
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I would use logarithmic differentiation. Setting $u(x)=x^2cos x$, we have
begin{align}
frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}&=frac{u'(x)}{u(x)ln u(x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2} =frac{2xcos x-x^2sin x}{x^2cos x,ln(x^2cos x)}-frac12frac{-2x}{1-x^2}\[1ex]
&=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos x,ln(x^2cos x)}+frac x{1-x^2},
end{align}
whence
$$f'(x)=frac{f'(x)}{f(x)},f(x)=frac{2cos x-xsin x}{xcos xsqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{xln(x^2cos x)}{(1-x^2)^{3/2}}.$$
answered Jan 14 at 9:02
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:05
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:13
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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Jan 14 at 9:05
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:13
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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Jan 14 at 9:05
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I mean thank you so much for the different approch $ dfrac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{left(1-x^2right)^frac{3}{2}}+dfrac{2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)}{x^2sqrt{1-x^2}cosleft(xright)} $
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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@TariroManyika: I don't agree with the $x^2$ in the denominator: there was a simpilfication by $x$ in the computation line above.
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– Bernard
Jan 14 at 9:10
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Yeah I realized my error , you are 100% correct
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:12
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:13
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Your method is actually much fast than what I ended up having to do , I will keep this cool logarithmic trick for a rainy day
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– Tariro Manyika
Jan 14 at 9:13
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I thought about the quotient rule
That's right!
There's a quotient of the functions $g(x)= ln left( x ^ { 2 } cos ( x ) right)$ and $h(x)= sqrt { 1 - x ^ { 2 } }$ so if you can find $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$, the derivative $f'(x)$ follows as:
$$f'(x)=frac{g'(x)h(x)-g(x)h'(x)}{h(x)^2}$$
I don't know why you think you'd need another quotient rule afterwards?
For $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$ you need to apply the chain rule and for the "inner part" $x ^ { 2 } cos ( x )$ you'll need the product rule as well: break it down step by step.
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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I thought about the quotient rule
That's right!
There's a quotient of the functions $g(x)= ln left( x ^ { 2 } cos ( x ) right)$ and $h(x)= sqrt { 1 - x ^ { 2 } }$ so if you can find $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$, the derivative $f'(x)$ follows as:
$$f'(x)=frac{g'(x)h(x)-g(x)h'(x)}{h(x)^2}$$
I don't know why you think you'd need another quotient rule afterwards?
For $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$ you need to apply the chain rule and for the "inner part" $x ^ { 2 } cos ( x )$ you'll need the product rule as well: break it down step by step.
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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I thought about the quotient rule
That's right!
There's a quotient of the functions $g(x)= ln left( x ^ { 2 } cos ( x ) right)$ and $h(x)= sqrt { 1 - x ^ { 2 } }$ so if you can find $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$, the derivative $f'(x)$ follows as:
$$f'(x)=frac{g'(x)h(x)-g(x)h'(x)}{h(x)^2}$$
I don't know why you think you'd need another quotient rule afterwards?
For $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$ you need to apply the chain rule and for the "inner part" $x ^ { 2 } cos ( x )$ you'll need the product rule as well: break it down step by step.
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I thought about the quotient rule
That's right!
There's a quotient of the functions $g(x)= ln left( x ^ { 2 } cos ( x ) right)$ and $h(x)= sqrt { 1 - x ^ { 2 } }$ so if you can find $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$, the derivative $f'(x)$ follows as:
$$f'(x)=frac{g'(x)h(x)-g(x)h'(x)}{h(x)^2}$$
I don't know why you think you'd need another quotient rule afterwards?
For $g'(x)$ and $h'(x)$ you need to apply the chain rule and for the "inner part" $x ^ { 2 } cos ( x )$ you'll need the product rule as well: break it down step by step.
answered Jan 14 at 8:34
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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$dfrac{frac{xlnleft(x^2cosleft(xright)right)}{sqrt{1-x^2}}+frac{sqrt{1-x^2}left(2xcosleft(xright)-x^2sinleft(xright)right)}{x^2cosleft(xright)}}{1-x^2}$
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The quotient rule is a good idea. First differentiate $ln(x^2 cos (x))$ with the chain rule and the product rule.
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The quotient rule is a good idea. First differentiate $ln(x^2 cos (x))$ with the chain rule and the product rule.
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The quotient rule is a good idea. First differentiate $ln(x^2 cos (x))$ with the chain rule and the product rule.
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The quotient rule is a good idea. First differentiate $ln(x^2 cos (x))$ with the chain rule and the product rule.
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We have $${dover dx}ln {x^2cos x}={1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}\{dover dx}sqrt{1-x^2}=-{xover sqrt{1-x^2}}$$therefore by defining $g(x)=ln x^2cos x$ and $h(x)=sqrt{1-x^2}$ and using $left({gover h}right)'={g'h-gh'over h^2}$ we finally obtain$$f'(x){=left({gover h}right)'=left({g'h-gh'over h^2}right)(x)\={left({1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2over x} {-tan x}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2} {-xtan x}right)(1-x^2)+x^2ln x^2cos xover x(1-x^2)sqrt{1-x^2}}}$$ for $|x|<1$ and $xne 0$.
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We have $${dover dx}ln {x^2cos x}={1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}\{dover dx}sqrt{1-x^2}=-{xover sqrt{1-x^2}}$$therefore by defining $g(x)=ln x^2cos x$ and $h(x)=sqrt{1-x^2}$ and using $left({gover h}right)'={g'h-gh'over h^2}$ we finally obtain$$f'(x){=left({gover h}right)'=left({g'h-gh'over h^2}right)(x)\={left({1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2over x} {-tan x}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2} {-xtan x}right)(1-x^2)+x^2ln x^2cos xover x(1-x^2)sqrt{1-x^2}}}$$ for $|x|<1$ and $xne 0$.
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We have $${dover dx}ln {x^2cos x}={1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}\{dover dx}sqrt{1-x^2}=-{xover sqrt{1-x^2}}$$therefore by defining $g(x)=ln x^2cos x$ and $h(x)=sqrt{1-x^2}$ and using $left({gover h}right)'={g'h-gh'over h^2}$ we finally obtain$$f'(x){=left({gover h}right)'=left({g'h-gh'over h^2}right)(x)\={left({1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2over x} {-tan x}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2} {-xtan x}right)(1-x^2)+x^2ln x^2cos xover x(1-x^2)sqrt{1-x^2}}}$$ for $|x|<1$ and $xne 0$.
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We have $${dover dx}ln {x^2cos x}={1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}\{dover dx}sqrt{1-x^2}=-{xover sqrt{1-x^2}}$$therefore by defining $g(x)=ln x^2cos x$ and $h(x)=sqrt{1-x^2}$ and using $left({gover h}right)'={g'h-gh'over h^2}$ we finally obtain$$f'(x){=left({gover h}right)'=left({g'h-gh'over h^2}right)(x)\={left({1over x^2cos x}cdot {(2xcos x-x^2sin x)}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2over x} {-tan x}right)sqrt{1-x^2}+left({xover sqrt{1-x^2}}right)ln x^2cos xover 1-x^2}\={left({2} {-xtan x}right)(1-x^2)+x^2ln x^2cos xover x(1-x^2)sqrt{1-x^2}}}$$ for $|x|<1$ and $xne 0$.
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