Proof that the following map $Phi:ell^1to(ell^infty)'$ is not surjective
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I am working on the dual spaces of sequence spaces, and I want to show that the map $$
Phi:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}y_ix_i
$$
is not surjective. I have already shown it is a linear isometry. Can I use the Hahn-Banach theorem to find $y'in (ell^infty)'$ such that there is no $yinell^1$ with $Phi y=y'$.
I have written my own answer the following way (corollary 4.14 is a corollary in my lecture notes stating that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is. I have proven earlier that $ell^infty$ is inseperable)
Proposition 2: The map $$Phi_infty:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi_infty y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}x^iy^i$$ is not surjective.
The proof is based on the following lemma, which consists of two parts.
Lemma 1. Let $X$ and $Y$ be normed spaces. Then the following claims are true:
If $f:Xto Y$ is a surjective linear isometry, then $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Let $f: Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. If $X$ is a seperable space, then $Y$ is a seperable space.
Proof of 1: We remark that every isometry is automatically injective. Since $f$ is also surjective, $f$ is a bijection. Now, we calculate
$|f|_{op}=sup{||f(x)||_Y,big|,||x||_Xleq 1}=sup{||x||_X,big|,||x||_Xleq 1 }=1<infty$, hence $f$ is bounded. Since $f$ is linear, $f$ is continuous. We will now show that $f^{-1}$ is continuous. We remark that $f^{-1}$ is linear. We also remark that for all $yin Y$, $||y||_Y=||f(f^{-1}(y))||_Y=||f^{-1}(y)||_X$, hence $f^{-1}$ is an isometry, too. Then, $|f^{-1}|_{op}=sup{||f^{-1}(y)||_X,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=sup{||y||_Y,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=1<infty$, hence $f^{-1}$ is bounded. It follows that $f^{-1}$ is continuous, hence $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Proof of 2: Let $X$ be a seperable normed space and let $f:Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. Since $X$ is seperable, there exists a countable dense subset $Asubseteq X$. Then, $f(A)$ is a countable subset of $Y$. We will show that $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$.
Let $V$ be an open set in $Y$. By continuity of $f$, $f^{-1}(V)$ is open in $X$, so $Acap f^{-1}(V)neqemptyset$. By bijectivity, we see that
$emptysetneq f(Acap f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap f(f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap V$. This holds for all open sets in $Y$, hence $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$. It follows that $Y$ is seperable.
We can now prove proposition 2.
By theorem 4.6, $Phi_infty$ is a well-defined linear isometry. We remark that $ell^1$ is seperable. It follows by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable since $ell^infty$ is inseperable.
We will give a proof by contradiction. Suppose that $Phi_infty$ is surjective. Then, $Phi_infty$ is a surjective linear isometry and by lemma 1 part textit{i}, a homeomorphism. Since $ell^{1}$ is seperable, it follows by lemma 1 part textit{ii} that $Phi_infty(ell^{1})=(ell^infty)'$ is seperable, but this is a contradiction since we know by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable. Therefore, our assumption that $Phi_infty$ was surjective is false, hence $Phi_infty$ is not surjective
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I am working on the dual spaces of sequence spaces, and I want to show that the map $$
Phi:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}y_ix_i
$$
is not surjective. I have already shown it is a linear isometry. Can I use the Hahn-Banach theorem to find $y'in (ell^infty)'$ such that there is no $yinell^1$ with $Phi y=y'$.
I have written my own answer the following way (corollary 4.14 is a corollary in my lecture notes stating that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is. I have proven earlier that $ell^infty$ is inseperable)
Proposition 2: The map $$Phi_infty:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi_infty y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}x^iy^i$$ is not surjective.
The proof is based on the following lemma, which consists of two parts.
Lemma 1. Let $X$ and $Y$ be normed spaces. Then the following claims are true:
If $f:Xto Y$ is a surjective linear isometry, then $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Let $f: Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. If $X$ is a seperable space, then $Y$ is a seperable space.
Proof of 1: We remark that every isometry is automatically injective. Since $f$ is also surjective, $f$ is a bijection. Now, we calculate
$|f|_{op}=sup{||f(x)||_Y,big|,||x||_Xleq 1}=sup{||x||_X,big|,||x||_Xleq 1 }=1<infty$, hence $f$ is bounded. Since $f$ is linear, $f$ is continuous. We will now show that $f^{-1}$ is continuous. We remark that $f^{-1}$ is linear. We also remark that for all $yin Y$, $||y||_Y=||f(f^{-1}(y))||_Y=||f^{-1}(y)||_X$, hence $f^{-1}$ is an isometry, too. Then, $|f^{-1}|_{op}=sup{||f^{-1}(y)||_X,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=sup{||y||_Y,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=1<infty$, hence $f^{-1}$ is bounded. It follows that $f^{-1}$ is continuous, hence $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Proof of 2: Let $X$ be a seperable normed space and let $f:Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. Since $X$ is seperable, there exists a countable dense subset $Asubseteq X$. Then, $f(A)$ is a countable subset of $Y$. We will show that $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$.
Let $V$ be an open set in $Y$. By continuity of $f$, $f^{-1}(V)$ is open in $X$, so $Acap f^{-1}(V)neqemptyset$. By bijectivity, we see that
$emptysetneq f(Acap f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap f(f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap V$. This holds for all open sets in $Y$, hence $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$. It follows that $Y$ is seperable.
We can now prove proposition 2.
By theorem 4.6, $Phi_infty$ is a well-defined linear isometry. We remark that $ell^1$ is seperable. It follows by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable since $ell^infty$ is inseperable.
We will give a proof by contradiction. Suppose that $Phi_infty$ is surjective. Then, $Phi_infty$ is a surjective linear isometry and by lemma 1 part textit{i}, a homeomorphism. Since $ell^{1}$ is seperable, it follows by lemma 1 part textit{ii} that $Phi_infty(ell^{1})=(ell^infty)'$ is seperable, but this is a contradiction since we know by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable. Therefore, our assumption that $Phi_infty$ was surjective is false, hence $Phi_infty$ is not surjective
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The standard approach here is to prove that $ell^1$ is separable, whereas $ell^infty$ and $(ell^infty)^*$ are not. There is a very over-the-top argument where you show that the multiplicative linear functionals on $ell^infty$ coming from $ell^1$ are just evaluations at a point, but there must be more functionals because $mathbb N$ is not compact, but the pure states of a von Neumann algebra must be compact in the weak star topology.
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I am working on the dual spaces of sequence spaces, and I want to show that the map $$
Phi:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}y_ix_i
$$
is not surjective. I have already shown it is a linear isometry. Can I use the Hahn-Banach theorem to find $y'in (ell^infty)'$ such that there is no $yinell^1$ with $Phi y=y'$.
I have written my own answer the following way (corollary 4.14 is a corollary in my lecture notes stating that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is. I have proven earlier that $ell^infty$ is inseperable)
Proposition 2: The map $$Phi_infty:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi_infty y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}x^iy^i$$ is not surjective.
The proof is based on the following lemma, which consists of two parts.
Lemma 1. Let $X$ and $Y$ be normed spaces. Then the following claims are true:
If $f:Xto Y$ is a surjective linear isometry, then $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Let $f: Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. If $X$ is a seperable space, then $Y$ is a seperable space.
Proof of 1: We remark that every isometry is automatically injective. Since $f$ is also surjective, $f$ is a bijection. Now, we calculate
$|f|_{op}=sup{||f(x)||_Y,big|,||x||_Xleq 1}=sup{||x||_X,big|,||x||_Xleq 1 }=1<infty$, hence $f$ is bounded. Since $f$ is linear, $f$ is continuous. We will now show that $f^{-1}$ is continuous. We remark that $f^{-1}$ is linear. We also remark that for all $yin Y$, $||y||_Y=||f(f^{-1}(y))||_Y=||f^{-1}(y)||_X$, hence $f^{-1}$ is an isometry, too. Then, $|f^{-1}|_{op}=sup{||f^{-1}(y)||_X,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=sup{||y||_Y,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=1<infty$, hence $f^{-1}$ is bounded. It follows that $f^{-1}$ is continuous, hence $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Proof of 2: Let $X$ be a seperable normed space and let $f:Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. Since $X$ is seperable, there exists a countable dense subset $Asubseteq X$. Then, $f(A)$ is a countable subset of $Y$. We will show that $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$.
Let $V$ be an open set in $Y$. By continuity of $f$, $f^{-1}(V)$ is open in $X$, so $Acap f^{-1}(V)neqemptyset$. By bijectivity, we see that
$emptysetneq f(Acap f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap f(f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap V$. This holds for all open sets in $Y$, hence $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$. It follows that $Y$ is seperable.
We can now prove proposition 2.
By theorem 4.6, $Phi_infty$ is a well-defined linear isometry. We remark that $ell^1$ is seperable. It follows by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable since $ell^infty$ is inseperable.
We will give a proof by contradiction. Suppose that $Phi_infty$ is surjective. Then, $Phi_infty$ is a surjective linear isometry and by lemma 1 part textit{i}, a homeomorphism. Since $ell^{1}$ is seperable, it follows by lemma 1 part textit{ii} that $Phi_infty(ell^{1})=(ell^infty)'$ is seperable, but this is a contradiction since we know by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable. Therefore, our assumption that $Phi_infty$ was surjective is false, hence $Phi_infty$ is not surjective
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I am working on the dual spaces of sequence spaces, and I want to show that the map $$
Phi:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}y_ix_i
$$
is not surjective. I have already shown it is a linear isometry. Can I use the Hahn-Banach theorem to find $y'in (ell^infty)'$ such that there is no $yinell^1$ with $Phi y=y'$.
I have written my own answer the following way (corollary 4.14 is a corollary in my lecture notes stating that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is. I have proven earlier that $ell^infty$ is inseperable)
Proposition 2: The map $$Phi_infty:ell^1to(ell^infty)',qquad(Phi_infty y)(x)=sum_{iinmathbb{N}}x^iy^i$$ is not surjective.
The proof is based on the following lemma, which consists of two parts.
Lemma 1. Let $X$ and $Y$ be normed spaces. Then the following claims are true:
If $f:Xto Y$ is a surjective linear isometry, then $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Let $f: Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. If $X$ is a seperable space, then $Y$ is a seperable space.
Proof of 1: We remark that every isometry is automatically injective. Since $f$ is also surjective, $f$ is a bijection. Now, we calculate
$|f|_{op}=sup{||f(x)||_Y,big|,||x||_Xleq 1}=sup{||x||_X,big|,||x||_Xleq 1 }=1<infty$, hence $f$ is bounded. Since $f$ is linear, $f$ is continuous. We will now show that $f^{-1}$ is continuous. We remark that $f^{-1}$ is linear. We also remark that for all $yin Y$, $||y||_Y=||f(f^{-1}(y))||_Y=||f^{-1}(y)||_X$, hence $f^{-1}$ is an isometry, too. Then, $|f^{-1}|_{op}=sup{||f^{-1}(y)||_X,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=sup{||y||_Y,big|,||y||_Yleq 1}=1<infty$, hence $f^{-1}$ is bounded. It follows that $f^{-1}$ is continuous, hence $f$ is a homeomorphism.
Proof of 2: Let $X$ be a seperable normed space and let $f:Xto Y$ be a homeomorphism. Since $X$ is seperable, there exists a countable dense subset $Asubseteq X$. Then, $f(A)$ is a countable subset of $Y$. We will show that $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$.
Let $V$ be an open set in $Y$. By continuity of $f$, $f^{-1}(V)$ is open in $X$, so $Acap f^{-1}(V)neqemptyset$. By bijectivity, we see that
$emptysetneq f(Acap f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap f(f^{-1}(V))=f(A)cap V$. This holds for all open sets in $Y$, hence $f(A)$ is dense in $Y$. It follows that $Y$ is seperable.
We can now prove proposition 2.
By theorem 4.6, $Phi_infty$ is a well-defined linear isometry. We remark that $ell^1$ is seperable. It follows by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable since $ell^infty$ is inseperable.
We will give a proof by contradiction. Suppose that $Phi_infty$ is surjective. Then, $Phi_infty$ is a surjective linear isometry and by lemma 1 part textit{i}, a homeomorphism. Since $ell^{1}$ is seperable, it follows by lemma 1 part textit{ii} that $Phi_infty(ell^{1})=(ell^infty)'$ is seperable, but this is a contradiction since we know by corollary 4.14 that $(ell^infty)'$ is inseperable. Therefore, our assumption that $Phi_infty$ was surjective is false, hence $Phi_infty$ is not surjective
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The standard approach here is to prove that $ell^1$ is separable, whereas $ell^infty$ and $(ell^infty)^*$ are not. There is a very over-the-top argument where you show that the multiplicative linear functionals on $ell^infty$ coming from $ell^1$ are just evaluations at a point, but there must be more functionals because $mathbb N$ is not compact, but the pure states of a von Neumann algebra must be compact in the weak star topology.
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The standard approach here is to prove that $ell^1$ is separable, whereas $ell^infty$ and $(ell^infty)^*$ are not. There is a very over-the-top argument where you show that the multiplicative linear functionals on $ell^infty$ coming from $ell^1$ are just evaluations at a point, but there must be more functionals because $mathbb N$ is not compact, but the pure states of a von Neumann algebra must be compact in the weak star topology.
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Related: Dual of $l^infty$ is not $l^1$
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– Martin Sleziak
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The standard approach here is to prove that $ell^1$ is separable, whereas $ell^infty$ and $(ell^infty)^*$ are not. There is a very over-the-top argument where you show that the multiplicative linear functionals on $ell^infty$ coming from $ell^1$ are just evaluations at a point, but there must be more functionals because $mathbb N$ is not compact, but the pure states of a von Neumann algebra must be compact in the weak star topology.
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– Ashwin Trisal
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The standard approach here is to prove that $ell^1$ is separable, whereas $ell^infty$ and $(ell^infty)^*$ are not. There is a very over-the-top argument where you show that the multiplicative linear functionals on $ell^infty$ coming from $ell^1$ are just evaluations at a point, but there must be more functionals because $mathbb N$ is not compact, but the pure states of a von Neumann algebra must be compact in the weak star topology.
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Related: Dual of $l^infty$ is not $l^1$
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One way of showing this is to use the fact that If $X^{*}$ is separable then so is $X$. Take $X=ell^{infty}$. If the given map is surjective then $X^{*}$ is isometrically isomorphic to $ell^{1}$ which makes it separable. But $X=ell^{infty}$ is not separable.
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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@James Of course, it is.
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Here is a different approach. Consider the subspace
$$c := { x in ell^infty mid lim_{ntoinfty}x_n text{ exists}}.$$
Can you imagine a functional on $c$ which (if extended to all of $ell^infty$ via Hahn-Banach) is not of the form $Phi y$?
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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Which functional is it?
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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Similarly to gerw's answer. Just use that, as a $C^ast$-algebra $ell^infty(mathbb N)$ is isomorphic to $C(beta mathbb{N})$, the continuous function over the compact space given by $beta mathbb{N}$, the Stone-Cech compactification of $mathbb{N}$. By Riesz theorem $(ell^infty)^ast = M(beta mathbb{N})$, the finite Radon measures over $beta mathbb{N}$. The points in $beta mathbb{N} setminus mathbb{N}$ are proper ultrafiters and evaluating on them gives functionals that are not in the image of $ell^1$.
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One way of showing this is to use the fact that If $X^{*}$ is separable then so is $X$. Take $X=ell^{infty}$. If the given map is surjective then $X^{*}$ is isometrically isomorphic to $ell^{1}$ which makes it separable. But $X=ell^{infty}$ is not separable.
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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– James
Jan 14 at 7:54
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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@James Of course, it is.
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One way of showing this is to use the fact that If $X^{*}$ is separable then so is $X$. Take $X=ell^{infty}$. If the given map is surjective then $X^{*}$ is isometrically isomorphic to $ell^{1}$ which makes it separable. But $X=ell^{infty}$ is not separable.
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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– James
Jan 14 at 7:54
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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@James Of course, it is.
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One way of showing this is to use the fact that If $X^{*}$ is separable then so is $X$. Take $X=ell^{infty}$. If the given map is surjective then $X^{*}$ is isometrically isomorphic to $ell^{1}$ which makes it separable. But $X=ell^{infty}$ is not separable.
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One way of showing this is to use the fact that If $X^{*}$ is separable then so is $X$. Take $X=ell^{infty}$. If the given map is surjective then $X^{*}$ is isometrically isomorphic to $ell^{1}$ which makes it separable. But $X=ell^{infty}$ is not separable.
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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– James
Jan 14 at 7:54
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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– James
Jan 14 at 8:23
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@James Of course, it is.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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– James
Jan 14 at 7:54
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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@James Of course, it is.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Jan 14 at 8:24
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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– James
Jan 14 at 7:54
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I have already proven that $X$ is seperable if $X'$ is seperable, sosince $ell^infty$ is not seperable $(ell^infty)^*$ is not seperable.
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– James
Jan 14 at 7:54
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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Is an isometric isomorphism naturally a homeomorphism?
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@James Of course, it is.
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@James Of course, it is.
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Here is a different approach. Consider the subspace
$$c := { x in ell^infty mid lim_{ntoinfty}x_n text{ exists}}.$$
Can you imagine a functional on $c$ which (if extended to all of $ell^infty$ via Hahn-Banach) is not of the form $Phi y$?
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 14 at 11:58
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Which functional is it?
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– James
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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– GEdgar
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Here is a different approach. Consider the subspace
$$c := { x in ell^infty mid lim_{ntoinfty}x_n text{ exists}}.$$
Can you imagine a functional on $c$ which (if extended to all of $ell^infty$ via Hahn-Banach) is not of the form $Phi y$?
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 14 at 11:58
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Which functional is it?
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– James
Jan 14 at 12:12
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 15 at 15:37
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Here is a different approach. Consider the subspace
$$c := { x in ell^infty mid lim_{ntoinfty}x_n text{ exists}}.$$
Can you imagine a functional on $c$ which (if extended to all of $ell^infty$ via Hahn-Banach) is not of the form $Phi y$?
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Here is a different approach. Consider the subspace
$$c := { x in ell^infty mid lim_{ntoinfty}x_n text{ exists}}.$$
Can you imagine a functional on $c$ which (if extended to all of $ell^infty$ via Hahn-Banach) is not of the form $Phi y$?
answered Jan 14 at 10:48
gerwgerw
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 14 at 11:58
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Which functional is it?
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– James
Jan 14 at 12:12
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 15 at 15:37
add a comment |
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 14 at 11:58
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Which functional is it?
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– James
Jan 14 at 12:12
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 15 at 15:37
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 14 at 11:58
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I think this is the best approach. It does not require knowledge of $C^*$ algebras. And of course showing $(l^infty)^*$ is not separable is much more than showing it is not equal to $l^1$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 14 at 11:58
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Which functional is it?
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– James
Jan 14 at 12:12
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Which functional is it?
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– James
Jan 14 at 12:12
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 15 at 15:37
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The functional is the one assumed to exist in the definition of $c$.
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– GEdgar
Jan 15 at 15:37
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Similarly to gerw's answer. Just use that, as a $C^ast$-algebra $ell^infty(mathbb N)$ is isomorphic to $C(beta mathbb{N})$, the continuous function over the compact space given by $beta mathbb{N}$, the Stone-Cech compactification of $mathbb{N}$. By Riesz theorem $(ell^infty)^ast = M(beta mathbb{N})$, the finite Radon measures over $beta mathbb{N}$. The points in $beta mathbb{N} setminus mathbb{N}$ are proper ultrafiters and evaluating on them gives functionals that are not in the image of $ell^1$.
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Similarly to gerw's answer. Just use that, as a $C^ast$-algebra $ell^infty(mathbb N)$ is isomorphic to $C(beta mathbb{N})$, the continuous function over the compact space given by $beta mathbb{N}$, the Stone-Cech compactification of $mathbb{N}$. By Riesz theorem $(ell^infty)^ast = M(beta mathbb{N})$, the finite Radon measures over $beta mathbb{N}$. The points in $beta mathbb{N} setminus mathbb{N}$ are proper ultrafiters and evaluating on them gives functionals that are not in the image of $ell^1$.
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add a comment |
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Similarly to gerw's answer. Just use that, as a $C^ast$-algebra $ell^infty(mathbb N)$ is isomorphic to $C(beta mathbb{N})$, the continuous function over the compact space given by $beta mathbb{N}$, the Stone-Cech compactification of $mathbb{N}$. By Riesz theorem $(ell^infty)^ast = M(beta mathbb{N})$, the finite Radon measures over $beta mathbb{N}$. The points in $beta mathbb{N} setminus mathbb{N}$ are proper ultrafiters and evaluating on them gives functionals that are not in the image of $ell^1$.
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Similarly to gerw's answer. Just use that, as a $C^ast$-algebra $ell^infty(mathbb N)$ is isomorphic to $C(beta mathbb{N})$, the continuous function over the compact space given by $beta mathbb{N}$, the Stone-Cech compactification of $mathbb{N}$. By Riesz theorem $(ell^infty)^ast = M(beta mathbb{N})$, the finite Radon measures over $beta mathbb{N}$. The points in $beta mathbb{N} setminus mathbb{N}$ are proper ultrafiters and evaluating on them gives functionals that are not in the image of $ell^1$.
answered Jan 14 at 11:41
Adrián González-PérezAdrián González-Pérez
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The standard approach here is to prove that $ell^1$ is separable, whereas $ell^infty$ and $(ell^infty)^*$ are not. There is a very over-the-top argument where you show that the multiplicative linear functionals on $ell^infty$ coming from $ell^1$ are just evaluations at a point, but there must be more functionals because $mathbb N$ is not compact, but the pure states of a von Neumann algebra must be compact in the weak star topology.
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– Ashwin Trisal
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Related: Dual of $l^infty$ is not $l^1$
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– Martin Sleziak
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