Is it possible to understand and enjoy classical music just by listening, without music theory knowledge?...
Pretty much every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music, has significant amount of theory in it. Ex: What to listen for in Music by Aaron Copland. Is it not possible to enjoy a classical piece without having any theoretical knowledge? If it is possible, kindly point to correct resources which helps in achieving the goal.
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Pretty much every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music, has significant amount of theory in it. Ex: What to listen for in Music by Aaron Copland. Is it not possible to enjoy a classical piece without having any theoretical knowledge? If it is possible, kindly point to correct resources which helps in achieving the goal.
theory classical-music musicology
closed as primarily opinion-based by Todd Wilcox, Richard, user45266, Carl Witthoft, Dom♦ Feb 11 at 14:44
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If they just said "listen and enjoy", they'd need to use very big letters to fill an entire book.
– piiperi
Feb 10 at 17:19
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Any kid who has ever loved the Star Wars Theme, the Imperial March, the Jaws theme, or any of a large number of orchestral instrumental works already appreciates “classical” music without knowing theory. You don’t have to know anything to love any kind of music. You either love it or you don’t.
– Todd Wilcox
Feb 10 at 18:34
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If you write about a piece of music, or a composer, you don't want to just write, "I like it. It makes me happy." That wouldn't be interesting to read. Instead you'd write about what makes the music/composer distinctive/different. How can you write about music without making it sound like "what to listen for"?
– jwvh
Feb 11 at 1:43
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I tend to feel that if you need a book or resource to tell you how to enjoy a particular piece of music, then that music might not be for you.
– Aaron Lavers
Feb 11 at 4:42
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@AaronLavers that is grossly incorrect. Yes, you can enjoy a piece of music, or a painting, or a sculpture, just by seeing/hearing/touching it. But for many of us, learning to understand the construction process, the interplay of parts or sections, makes the enjoyment that much greater.
– Carl Witthoft
Feb 11 at 12:48
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Pretty much every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music, has significant amount of theory in it. Ex: What to listen for in Music by Aaron Copland. Is it not possible to enjoy a classical piece without having any theoretical knowledge? If it is possible, kindly point to correct resources which helps in achieving the goal.
theory classical-music musicology
Pretty much every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music, has significant amount of theory in it. Ex: What to listen for in Music by Aaron Copland. Is it not possible to enjoy a classical piece without having any theoretical knowledge? If it is possible, kindly point to correct resources which helps in achieving the goal.
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closed as primarily opinion-based by Todd Wilcox, Richard, user45266, Carl Witthoft, Dom♦ Feb 11 at 14:44
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If they just said "listen and enjoy", they'd need to use very big letters to fill an entire book.
– piiperi
Feb 10 at 17:19
7
Any kid who has ever loved the Star Wars Theme, the Imperial March, the Jaws theme, or any of a large number of orchestral instrumental works already appreciates “classical” music without knowing theory. You don’t have to know anything to love any kind of music. You either love it or you don’t.
– Todd Wilcox
Feb 10 at 18:34
1
If you write about a piece of music, or a composer, you don't want to just write, "I like it. It makes me happy." That wouldn't be interesting to read. Instead you'd write about what makes the music/composer distinctive/different. How can you write about music without making it sound like "what to listen for"?
– jwvh
Feb 11 at 1:43
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I tend to feel that if you need a book or resource to tell you how to enjoy a particular piece of music, then that music might not be for you.
– Aaron Lavers
Feb 11 at 4:42
2
@AaronLavers that is grossly incorrect. Yes, you can enjoy a piece of music, or a painting, or a sculpture, just by seeing/hearing/touching it. But for many of us, learning to understand the construction process, the interplay of parts or sections, makes the enjoyment that much greater.
– Carl Witthoft
Feb 11 at 12:48
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If they just said "listen and enjoy", they'd need to use very big letters to fill an entire book.
– piiperi
Feb 10 at 17:19
7
Any kid who has ever loved the Star Wars Theme, the Imperial March, the Jaws theme, or any of a large number of orchestral instrumental works already appreciates “classical” music without knowing theory. You don’t have to know anything to love any kind of music. You either love it or you don’t.
– Todd Wilcox
Feb 10 at 18:34
1
If you write about a piece of music, or a composer, you don't want to just write, "I like it. It makes me happy." That wouldn't be interesting to read. Instead you'd write about what makes the music/composer distinctive/different. How can you write about music without making it sound like "what to listen for"?
– jwvh
Feb 11 at 1:43
2
I tend to feel that if you need a book or resource to tell you how to enjoy a particular piece of music, then that music might not be for you.
– Aaron Lavers
Feb 11 at 4:42
2
@AaronLavers that is grossly incorrect. Yes, you can enjoy a piece of music, or a painting, or a sculpture, just by seeing/hearing/touching it. But for many of us, learning to understand the construction process, the interplay of parts or sections, makes the enjoyment that much greater.
– Carl Witthoft
Feb 11 at 12:48
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If they just said "listen and enjoy", they'd need to use very big letters to fill an entire book.
– piiperi
Feb 10 at 17:19
If they just said "listen and enjoy", they'd need to use very big letters to fill an entire book.
– piiperi
Feb 10 at 17:19
7
7
Any kid who has ever loved the Star Wars Theme, the Imperial March, the Jaws theme, or any of a large number of orchestral instrumental works already appreciates “classical” music without knowing theory. You don’t have to know anything to love any kind of music. You either love it or you don’t.
– Todd Wilcox
Feb 10 at 18:34
Any kid who has ever loved the Star Wars Theme, the Imperial March, the Jaws theme, or any of a large number of orchestral instrumental works already appreciates “classical” music without knowing theory. You don’t have to know anything to love any kind of music. You either love it or you don’t.
– Todd Wilcox
Feb 10 at 18:34
1
1
If you write about a piece of music, or a composer, you don't want to just write, "I like it. It makes me happy." That wouldn't be interesting to read. Instead you'd write about what makes the music/composer distinctive/different. How can you write about music without making it sound like "what to listen for"?
– jwvh
Feb 11 at 1:43
If you write about a piece of music, or a composer, you don't want to just write, "I like it. It makes me happy." That wouldn't be interesting to read. Instead you'd write about what makes the music/composer distinctive/different. How can you write about music without making it sound like "what to listen for"?
– jwvh
Feb 11 at 1:43
2
2
I tend to feel that if you need a book or resource to tell you how to enjoy a particular piece of music, then that music might not be for you.
– Aaron Lavers
Feb 11 at 4:42
I tend to feel that if you need a book or resource to tell you how to enjoy a particular piece of music, then that music might not be for you.
– Aaron Lavers
Feb 11 at 4:42
2
2
@AaronLavers that is grossly incorrect. Yes, you can enjoy a piece of music, or a painting, or a sculpture, just by seeing/hearing/touching it. But for many of us, learning to understand the construction process, the interplay of parts or sections, makes the enjoyment that much greater.
– Carl Witthoft
Feb 11 at 12:48
@AaronLavers that is grossly incorrect. Yes, you can enjoy a piece of music, or a painting, or a sculpture, just by seeing/hearing/touching it. But for many of us, learning to understand the construction process, the interplay of parts or sections, makes the enjoyment that much greater.
– Carl Witthoft
Feb 11 at 12:48
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Of course it is. And most people do.
And, while any piece more extended than a simple song probably does involve a 'journey' of some kind, there's no need to invent a storyline.
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Is it possible to enjoy driving a car without understanding how the gearbox works? Watching t.v. without understanding the electronics involved?
Yes, of course! In fact, once theory is studied and understood, most music is listened to and appreciated in other ways. Not better or worse, just different.
Think about it: if music was only appreciated if the listener was versed in theory, it would have probably died the death well before now.
A lot of my students have commented that they don't listen to music in the same way, once they understand the tricks used and the theory involved. Which can be detrimental, as they then tend to analyse it more, delving deeper into it, to different layers. But that's not necessarily good or bad as far as listening and appreciating goes, just different.
This may get closed as 'how does a layman understand a piece' is very subjective. Take ten people who've listened to a piece of music, and there will likely be ten different reactions, interpretations, or whatever you want to call it, that the music will have given them. O.k., a minor piece may(?) give a sad feeling , but go deeper, and it could be interpreted as nostalgic, sorrowful, serious, tear-jerking, or lots of other emotional effects. Then you'll get the ones who liked the Tierce de Picardie at the end, or the way it modulated in the middle, or the way the staccato part came over. Get the idea?
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I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
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Yes, it is. They might probably say this is a opinion based question. But everyone who has ever heard some classical music as a baby will confirm that this music is in his mind and his soul like he drunk the milk of his mothers breast.
The adaption to classical music is like the learning of a language, if you've learnt it as a child you will understand it without grammar and theory. But later it will be more difficult like learning a foreign language than the mother language. Theory could be a good help to make it easier but more important are the elements of what you got when you was brought up.
Is it possible to fully enjoy a classical music piece without knowing
the theory behind it? If one should know music theory to enjoy a
piece, was/is classical music for aristocrats? How would layman
understand a piece?
So to answer your question: it is not only possible, it would be quite ordinary that one could understands and enjoy classical music - if he has been adapted to it or if he really wants to listen to it.
I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
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Enjoy? Yes, because otherwise almost nobody would ever like classical music enough to study all that theory and composition.
The first record I ever bought, when seven years old, was Holst's "The Planets". I'd heard "Mars", I can't remember where, and was just stunned that such a thing could be. It grabbed me deep down in my brain, insisted I listen to it again and again, and simply wouldn't let go. In some ways, it never really did.
Now I play trombone, I've won scholarships and studied with great players, I've done a fair amount of conducting and arranging, and I've played "The Planets" in concert many times. I understand how Mars is put together as a piece of music in ways I didn't even suspect existed when I was seven.
Last week I bought a new CD, by the Szeged Trombone Ensemble, which includes their arrangement of "Mars". I didn't know it was on there, it just came up in the playlist when I first put the disc on; and instantly, there I was, spellbound again. Even as my conscious mind hummed away, breaking down the chord structure and that fantastic ostinato, the bit of me that was there when I was seven and hasn't gone yet just stared at this gigantic musical thing lumbering past, spellbound and awestruck.
I can't say that I understood it in any intellectual way when I was seven. But could I enjoy it? Yes. Yes, I could.
Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
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@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
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Short answer:
Yes
A bit more detailed answer:
Classical music does have some defined rules about them, but that is more as a recepie to why the music is as enjoyable. The classical composers did know about some of these rules, but most rules were added as recognised patterns to the music after the fact because the composers just tried out stuff that sounded good. They sounded good because they follow some rules of nature that people instinctively recognize as pleasant to listen to. Some of these rules can even be recognized in birds singing patterns.
Sometimes the composers made things that deliberately went against the rules, just to make the music more interresting, because if everything follows the rules all the time, the music would be too predictable, and thus boring to listen to (even if you do not know what these rules are).
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...every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music...
There's the 'problem'. No one needs to be taught to enjoy music. Well... excluding 12-tone, aleatory, and other avant garde music. (Only half-joking.)
Basically when an artist does not regard their audience with contempt there is no need to educate the audience, because they will feel whatever the art expresses as a natural cultural expression.
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Of course it is. And most people do.
And, while any piece more extended than a simple song probably does involve a 'journey' of some kind, there's no need to invent a storyline.
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Of course it is. And most people do.
And, while any piece more extended than a simple song probably does involve a 'journey' of some kind, there's no need to invent a storyline.
add a comment |
Of course it is. And most people do.
And, while any piece more extended than a simple song probably does involve a 'journey' of some kind, there's no need to invent a storyline.
Of course it is. And most people do.
And, while any piece more extended than a simple song probably does involve a 'journey' of some kind, there's no need to invent a storyline.
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Is it possible to enjoy driving a car without understanding how the gearbox works? Watching t.v. without understanding the electronics involved?
Yes, of course! In fact, once theory is studied and understood, most music is listened to and appreciated in other ways. Not better or worse, just different.
Think about it: if music was only appreciated if the listener was versed in theory, it would have probably died the death well before now.
A lot of my students have commented that they don't listen to music in the same way, once they understand the tricks used and the theory involved. Which can be detrimental, as they then tend to analyse it more, delving deeper into it, to different layers. But that's not necessarily good or bad as far as listening and appreciating goes, just different.
This may get closed as 'how does a layman understand a piece' is very subjective. Take ten people who've listened to a piece of music, and there will likely be ten different reactions, interpretations, or whatever you want to call it, that the music will have given them. O.k., a minor piece may(?) give a sad feeling , but go deeper, and it could be interpreted as nostalgic, sorrowful, serious, tear-jerking, or lots of other emotional effects. Then you'll get the ones who liked the Tierce de Picardie at the end, or the way it modulated in the middle, or the way the staccato part came over. Get the idea?
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I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
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Is it possible to enjoy driving a car without understanding how the gearbox works? Watching t.v. without understanding the electronics involved?
Yes, of course! In fact, once theory is studied and understood, most music is listened to and appreciated in other ways. Not better or worse, just different.
Think about it: if music was only appreciated if the listener was versed in theory, it would have probably died the death well before now.
A lot of my students have commented that they don't listen to music in the same way, once they understand the tricks used and the theory involved. Which can be detrimental, as they then tend to analyse it more, delving deeper into it, to different layers. But that's not necessarily good or bad as far as listening and appreciating goes, just different.
This may get closed as 'how does a layman understand a piece' is very subjective. Take ten people who've listened to a piece of music, and there will likely be ten different reactions, interpretations, or whatever you want to call it, that the music will have given them. O.k., a minor piece may(?) give a sad feeling , but go deeper, and it could be interpreted as nostalgic, sorrowful, serious, tear-jerking, or lots of other emotional effects. Then you'll get the ones who liked the Tierce de Picardie at the end, or the way it modulated in the middle, or the way the staccato part came over. Get the idea?
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I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
add a comment |
Is it possible to enjoy driving a car without understanding how the gearbox works? Watching t.v. without understanding the electronics involved?
Yes, of course! In fact, once theory is studied and understood, most music is listened to and appreciated in other ways. Not better or worse, just different.
Think about it: if music was only appreciated if the listener was versed in theory, it would have probably died the death well before now.
A lot of my students have commented that they don't listen to music in the same way, once they understand the tricks used and the theory involved. Which can be detrimental, as they then tend to analyse it more, delving deeper into it, to different layers. But that's not necessarily good or bad as far as listening and appreciating goes, just different.
This may get closed as 'how does a layman understand a piece' is very subjective. Take ten people who've listened to a piece of music, and there will likely be ten different reactions, interpretations, or whatever you want to call it, that the music will have given them. O.k., a minor piece may(?) give a sad feeling , but go deeper, and it could be interpreted as nostalgic, sorrowful, serious, tear-jerking, or lots of other emotional effects. Then you'll get the ones who liked the Tierce de Picardie at the end, or the way it modulated in the middle, or the way the staccato part came over. Get the idea?
Is it possible to enjoy driving a car without understanding how the gearbox works? Watching t.v. without understanding the electronics involved?
Yes, of course! In fact, once theory is studied and understood, most music is listened to and appreciated in other ways. Not better or worse, just different.
Think about it: if music was only appreciated if the listener was versed in theory, it would have probably died the death well before now.
A lot of my students have commented that they don't listen to music in the same way, once they understand the tricks used and the theory involved. Which can be detrimental, as they then tend to analyse it more, delving deeper into it, to different layers. But that's not necessarily good or bad as far as listening and appreciating goes, just different.
This may get closed as 'how does a layman understand a piece' is very subjective. Take ten people who've listened to a piece of music, and there will likely be ten different reactions, interpretations, or whatever you want to call it, that the music will have given them. O.k., a minor piece may(?) give a sad feeling , but go deeper, and it could be interpreted as nostalgic, sorrowful, serious, tear-jerking, or lots of other emotional effects. Then you'll get the ones who liked the Tierce de Picardie at the end, or the way it modulated in the middle, or the way the staccato part came over. Get the idea?
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I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
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I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
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I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
I'd add that if anything, knowing theory allows me to think about and appreciate the composer's work more than I'd be able to without it. It's the same thing that allows me to appreciate software much more because I know how to code it, and I know the effort that it entails. None of that is necessary to use or appreciate any of those things, but it definitely gives perspective, which in a way may (or may not) be good or helpful to you.
– Ars
Feb 11 at 4:42
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Yes, it is. They might probably say this is a opinion based question. But everyone who has ever heard some classical music as a baby will confirm that this music is in his mind and his soul like he drunk the milk of his mothers breast.
The adaption to classical music is like the learning of a language, if you've learnt it as a child you will understand it without grammar and theory. But later it will be more difficult like learning a foreign language than the mother language. Theory could be a good help to make it easier but more important are the elements of what you got when you was brought up.
Is it possible to fully enjoy a classical music piece without knowing
the theory behind it? If one should know music theory to enjoy a
piece, was/is classical music for aristocrats? How would layman
understand a piece?
So to answer your question: it is not only possible, it would be quite ordinary that one could understands and enjoy classical music - if he has been adapted to it or if he really wants to listen to it.
I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
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Yes, it is. They might probably say this is a opinion based question. But everyone who has ever heard some classical music as a baby will confirm that this music is in his mind and his soul like he drunk the milk of his mothers breast.
The adaption to classical music is like the learning of a language, if you've learnt it as a child you will understand it without grammar and theory. But later it will be more difficult like learning a foreign language than the mother language. Theory could be a good help to make it easier but more important are the elements of what you got when you was brought up.
Is it possible to fully enjoy a classical music piece without knowing
the theory behind it? If one should know music theory to enjoy a
piece, was/is classical music for aristocrats? How would layman
understand a piece?
So to answer your question: it is not only possible, it would be quite ordinary that one could understands and enjoy classical music - if he has been adapted to it or if he really wants to listen to it.
I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
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Yes, it is. They might probably say this is a opinion based question. But everyone who has ever heard some classical music as a baby will confirm that this music is in his mind and his soul like he drunk the milk of his mothers breast.
The adaption to classical music is like the learning of a language, if you've learnt it as a child you will understand it without grammar and theory. But later it will be more difficult like learning a foreign language than the mother language. Theory could be a good help to make it easier but more important are the elements of what you got when you was brought up.
Is it possible to fully enjoy a classical music piece without knowing
the theory behind it? If one should know music theory to enjoy a
piece, was/is classical music for aristocrats? How would layman
understand a piece?
So to answer your question: it is not only possible, it would be quite ordinary that one could understands and enjoy classical music - if he has been adapted to it or if he really wants to listen to it.
Yes, it is. They might probably say this is a opinion based question. But everyone who has ever heard some classical music as a baby will confirm that this music is in his mind and his soul like he drunk the milk of his mothers breast.
The adaption to classical music is like the learning of a language, if you've learnt it as a child you will understand it without grammar and theory. But later it will be more difficult like learning a foreign language than the mother language. Theory could be a good help to make it easier but more important are the elements of what you got when you was brought up.
Is it possible to fully enjoy a classical music piece without knowing
the theory behind it? If one should know music theory to enjoy a
piece, was/is classical music for aristocrats? How would layman
understand a piece?
So to answer your question: it is not only possible, it would be quite ordinary that one could understands and enjoy classical music - if he has been adapted to it or if he really wants to listen to it.
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I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
add a comment |
I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
I've been recently on a UNICEF-benefit concert of the high school where my son is employed as music teacher. This is may be an elite school but it is to say that we have in our classes over 50% (sometimes over 80% children of fugitives and migrants. A girl played this concerto for clarinet by Copland and she was very fine accepted by all comrades. They really enjoyed it.. youtube.com/watch?v=9RX1m5JCCCA
– Albrecht Hügli
Feb 10 at 16:56
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Enjoy? Yes, because otherwise almost nobody would ever like classical music enough to study all that theory and composition.
The first record I ever bought, when seven years old, was Holst's "The Planets". I'd heard "Mars", I can't remember where, and was just stunned that such a thing could be. It grabbed me deep down in my brain, insisted I listen to it again and again, and simply wouldn't let go. In some ways, it never really did.
Now I play trombone, I've won scholarships and studied with great players, I've done a fair amount of conducting and arranging, and I've played "The Planets" in concert many times. I understand how Mars is put together as a piece of music in ways I didn't even suspect existed when I was seven.
Last week I bought a new CD, by the Szeged Trombone Ensemble, which includes their arrangement of "Mars". I didn't know it was on there, it just came up in the playlist when I first put the disc on; and instantly, there I was, spellbound again. Even as my conscious mind hummed away, breaking down the chord structure and that fantastic ostinato, the bit of me that was there when I was seven and hasn't gone yet just stared at this gigantic musical thing lumbering past, spellbound and awestruck.
I can't say that I understood it in any intellectual way when I was seven. But could I enjoy it? Yes. Yes, I could.
Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
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@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
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Enjoy? Yes, because otherwise almost nobody would ever like classical music enough to study all that theory and composition.
The first record I ever bought, when seven years old, was Holst's "The Planets". I'd heard "Mars", I can't remember where, and was just stunned that such a thing could be. It grabbed me deep down in my brain, insisted I listen to it again and again, and simply wouldn't let go. In some ways, it never really did.
Now I play trombone, I've won scholarships and studied with great players, I've done a fair amount of conducting and arranging, and I've played "The Planets" in concert many times. I understand how Mars is put together as a piece of music in ways I didn't even suspect existed when I was seven.
Last week I bought a new CD, by the Szeged Trombone Ensemble, which includes their arrangement of "Mars". I didn't know it was on there, it just came up in the playlist when I first put the disc on; and instantly, there I was, spellbound again. Even as my conscious mind hummed away, breaking down the chord structure and that fantastic ostinato, the bit of me that was there when I was seven and hasn't gone yet just stared at this gigantic musical thing lumbering past, spellbound and awestruck.
I can't say that I understood it in any intellectual way when I was seven. But could I enjoy it? Yes. Yes, I could.
Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
1
@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
add a comment |
Enjoy? Yes, because otherwise almost nobody would ever like classical music enough to study all that theory and composition.
The first record I ever bought, when seven years old, was Holst's "The Planets". I'd heard "Mars", I can't remember where, and was just stunned that such a thing could be. It grabbed me deep down in my brain, insisted I listen to it again and again, and simply wouldn't let go. In some ways, it never really did.
Now I play trombone, I've won scholarships and studied with great players, I've done a fair amount of conducting and arranging, and I've played "The Planets" in concert many times. I understand how Mars is put together as a piece of music in ways I didn't even suspect existed when I was seven.
Last week I bought a new CD, by the Szeged Trombone Ensemble, which includes their arrangement of "Mars". I didn't know it was on there, it just came up in the playlist when I first put the disc on; and instantly, there I was, spellbound again. Even as my conscious mind hummed away, breaking down the chord structure and that fantastic ostinato, the bit of me that was there when I was seven and hasn't gone yet just stared at this gigantic musical thing lumbering past, spellbound and awestruck.
I can't say that I understood it in any intellectual way when I was seven. But could I enjoy it? Yes. Yes, I could.
Enjoy? Yes, because otherwise almost nobody would ever like classical music enough to study all that theory and composition.
The first record I ever bought, when seven years old, was Holst's "The Planets". I'd heard "Mars", I can't remember where, and was just stunned that such a thing could be. It grabbed me deep down in my brain, insisted I listen to it again and again, and simply wouldn't let go. In some ways, it never really did.
Now I play trombone, I've won scholarships and studied with great players, I've done a fair amount of conducting and arranging, and I've played "The Planets" in concert many times. I understand how Mars is put together as a piece of music in ways I didn't even suspect existed when I was seven.
Last week I bought a new CD, by the Szeged Trombone Ensemble, which includes their arrangement of "Mars". I didn't know it was on there, it just came up in the playlist when I first put the disc on; and instantly, there I was, spellbound again. Even as my conscious mind hummed away, breaking down the chord structure and that fantastic ostinato, the bit of me that was there when I was seven and hasn't gone yet just stared at this gigantic musical thing lumbering past, spellbound and awestruck.
I can't say that I understood it in any intellectual way when I was seven. But could I enjoy it? Yes. Yes, I could.
answered Feb 11 at 8:00
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Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
1
@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
add a comment |
Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
1
@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
Oddly enough, I don't think "Mars" from The Planets was ever covered in Royal Conservatory of Music music history classes, and given its parallel major chords, its huge amount of chromaticism, its ambiguous sense of key, and its not being an Impressionist piece, I have my doubts that any similar established music program has it as a piece to study. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) The RCM program had me listen to pieces such as Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique", Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune", and Claude Champagne's "Danse Villageoise" instead.
– Dekkadeci
Feb 11 at 8:30
1
1
@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
@Dekkadeci I entirely agree the piece has enormous intellectual impact and depth, and it's clear to me that much study is required to fully appreciate that. But I also feel that the piece has enormous emotional impact, and I'm fairly sure that nearly anyone can feel that.
– MadHatter
Feb 11 at 8:57
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Short answer:
Yes
A bit more detailed answer:
Classical music does have some defined rules about them, but that is more as a recepie to why the music is as enjoyable. The classical composers did know about some of these rules, but most rules were added as recognised patterns to the music after the fact because the composers just tried out stuff that sounded good. They sounded good because they follow some rules of nature that people instinctively recognize as pleasant to listen to. Some of these rules can even be recognized in birds singing patterns.
Sometimes the composers made things that deliberately went against the rules, just to make the music more interresting, because if everything follows the rules all the time, the music would be too predictable, and thus boring to listen to (even if you do not know what these rules are).
add a comment |
Short answer:
Yes
A bit more detailed answer:
Classical music does have some defined rules about them, but that is more as a recepie to why the music is as enjoyable. The classical composers did know about some of these rules, but most rules were added as recognised patterns to the music after the fact because the composers just tried out stuff that sounded good. They sounded good because they follow some rules of nature that people instinctively recognize as pleasant to listen to. Some of these rules can even be recognized in birds singing patterns.
Sometimes the composers made things that deliberately went against the rules, just to make the music more interresting, because if everything follows the rules all the time, the music would be too predictable, and thus boring to listen to (even if you do not know what these rules are).
add a comment |
Short answer:
Yes
A bit more detailed answer:
Classical music does have some defined rules about them, but that is more as a recepie to why the music is as enjoyable. The classical composers did know about some of these rules, but most rules were added as recognised patterns to the music after the fact because the composers just tried out stuff that sounded good. They sounded good because they follow some rules of nature that people instinctively recognize as pleasant to listen to. Some of these rules can even be recognized in birds singing patterns.
Sometimes the composers made things that deliberately went against the rules, just to make the music more interresting, because if everything follows the rules all the time, the music would be too predictable, and thus boring to listen to (even if you do not know what these rules are).
Short answer:
Yes
A bit more detailed answer:
Classical music does have some defined rules about them, but that is more as a recepie to why the music is as enjoyable. The classical composers did know about some of these rules, but most rules were added as recognised patterns to the music after the fact because the composers just tried out stuff that sounded good. They sounded good because they follow some rules of nature that people instinctively recognize as pleasant to listen to. Some of these rules can even be recognized in birds singing patterns.
Sometimes the composers made things that deliberately went against the rules, just to make the music more interresting, because if everything follows the rules all the time, the music would be too predictable, and thus boring to listen to (even if you do not know what these rules are).
answered Feb 11 at 13:56
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...every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music...
There's the 'problem'. No one needs to be taught to enjoy music. Well... excluding 12-tone, aleatory, and other avant garde music. (Only half-joking.)
Basically when an artist does not regard their audience with contempt there is no need to educate the audience, because they will feel whatever the art expresses as a natural cultural expression.
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...every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music...
There's the 'problem'. No one needs to be taught to enjoy music. Well... excluding 12-tone, aleatory, and other avant garde music. (Only half-joking.)
Basically when an artist does not regard their audience with contempt there is no need to educate the audience, because they will feel whatever the art expresses as a natural cultural expression.
add a comment |
...every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music...
There's the 'problem'. No one needs to be taught to enjoy music. Well... excluding 12-tone, aleatory, and other avant garde music. (Only half-joking.)
Basically when an artist does not regard their audience with contempt there is no need to educate the audience, because they will feel whatever the art expresses as a natural cultural expression.
...every book out there which claims to teach the readers to appreciate classical music...
There's the 'problem'. No one needs to be taught to enjoy music. Well... excluding 12-tone, aleatory, and other avant garde music. (Only half-joking.)
Basically when an artist does not regard their audience with contempt there is no need to educate the audience, because they will feel whatever the art expresses as a natural cultural expression.
answered Feb 11 at 14:39
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
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If they just said "listen and enjoy", they'd need to use very big letters to fill an entire book.
– piiperi
Feb 10 at 17:19
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Any kid who has ever loved the Star Wars Theme, the Imperial March, the Jaws theme, or any of a large number of orchestral instrumental works already appreciates “classical” music without knowing theory. You don’t have to know anything to love any kind of music. You either love it or you don’t.
– Todd Wilcox
Feb 10 at 18:34
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If you write about a piece of music, or a composer, you don't want to just write, "I like it. It makes me happy." That wouldn't be interesting to read. Instead you'd write about what makes the music/composer distinctive/different. How can you write about music without making it sound like "what to listen for"?
– jwvh
Feb 11 at 1:43
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I tend to feel that if you need a book or resource to tell you how to enjoy a particular piece of music, then that music might not be for you.
– Aaron Lavers
Feb 11 at 4:42
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@AaronLavers that is grossly incorrect. Yes, you can enjoy a piece of music, or a painting, or a sculpture, just by seeing/hearing/touching it. But for many of us, learning to understand the construction process, the interplay of parts or sections, makes the enjoyment that much greater.
– Carl Witthoft
Feb 11 at 12:48