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Consider vector field $v$. We know, that $Tr(nabla v)=div ~ v$. Is is true that $$Tr(nabla vnabla v)=(div ~ v)^2$$
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    @mathcounterexamples.net $nabla v$ is matrix, so $nabla v nabla v$ is product of two matricies
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Consider vector field $v$. We know, that $Tr(nabla v)=div ~ v$. Is is true that $$Tr(nabla vnabla v)=(div ~ v)^2$$
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Consider vector field $v$. We know, that $Tr(nabla v)=div ~ v$. Is is true that $$Tr(nabla vnabla v)=(div ~ v)^2$$
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By considering $nabla v$ to be the Jacobian of the vector field $v$. One can show that:



$$nabla v nabla v = begin{bmatrix}
nabla v_1^T\
dots\
nabla v_n^T
end{bmatrix} begin{bmatrix}
partial_{x_1}v & dots & partial_{x_n}v
end{bmatrix}
= begin{bmatrix}
left< nabla v_1, partial_{x_1}vright>& dots & dots\
dots & dots & dots \
dots & dots & left< nabla v_n, partial_{x_n}vright>
end{bmatrix}$$



Hence,



$$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^{n} left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > ;;(1)$$



And $$left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > = sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i};;(2)$$



Therefore, from (1) and (2):



$$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i} ;;(3)$$



Now $$text{div}(v) = sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i}$$



$$left ( text{div}(v) right )^2 = left (sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} right )left (sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k} right ) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k};;(4)$$



From (3) and (4) we deduce that $Tr(nabla v nabla v) neq left ( text{div}(v) right )^2$.



Sorry for the computational "proof". I hope I find a more geometric one in the future.






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    A simple counterexample in $mathbb R^n$.



    Take the identity vector field $J: x mapsto x$. Then the Jacobian $nabla J$ is the identity matrix $I_n$. So



    $$Tr(nabla J cdot nabla J)= Tr(I_n)= n neq n^2= (div I)^2$$






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      By considering $nabla v$ to be the Jacobian of the vector field $v$. One can show that:



      $$nabla v nabla v = begin{bmatrix}
      nabla v_1^T\
      dots\
      nabla v_n^T
      end{bmatrix} begin{bmatrix}
      partial_{x_1}v & dots & partial_{x_n}v
      end{bmatrix}
      = begin{bmatrix}
      left< nabla v_1, partial_{x_1}vright>& dots & dots\
      dots & dots & dots \
      dots & dots & left< nabla v_n, partial_{x_n}vright>
      end{bmatrix}$$



      Hence,



      $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^{n} left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > ;;(1)$$



      And $$left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > = sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i};;(2)$$



      Therefore, from (1) and (2):



      $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i} ;;(3)$$



      Now $$text{div}(v) = sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i}$$



      $$left ( text{div}(v) right )^2 = left (sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} right )left (sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k} right ) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k};;(4)$$



      From (3) and (4) we deduce that $Tr(nabla v nabla v) neq left ( text{div}(v) right )^2$.



      Sorry for the computational "proof". I hope I find a more geometric one in the future.






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        By considering $nabla v$ to be the Jacobian of the vector field $v$. One can show that:



        $$nabla v nabla v = begin{bmatrix}
        nabla v_1^T\
        dots\
        nabla v_n^T
        end{bmatrix} begin{bmatrix}
        partial_{x_1}v & dots & partial_{x_n}v
        end{bmatrix}
        = begin{bmatrix}
        left< nabla v_1, partial_{x_1}vright>& dots & dots\
        dots & dots & dots \
        dots & dots & left< nabla v_n, partial_{x_n}vright>
        end{bmatrix}$$



        Hence,



        $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^{n} left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > ;;(1)$$



        And $$left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > = sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i};;(2)$$



        Therefore, from (1) and (2):



        $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i} ;;(3)$$



        Now $$text{div}(v) = sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i}$$



        $$left ( text{div}(v) right )^2 = left (sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} right )left (sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k} right ) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k};;(4)$$



        From (3) and (4) we deduce that $Tr(nabla v nabla v) neq left ( text{div}(v) right )^2$.



        Sorry for the computational "proof". I hope I find a more geometric one in the future.






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          By considering $nabla v$ to be the Jacobian of the vector field $v$. One can show that:



          $$nabla v nabla v = begin{bmatrix}
          nabla v_1^T\
          dots\
          nabla v_n^T
          end{bmatrix} begin{bmatrix}
          partial_{x_1}v & dots & partial_{x_n}v
          end{bmatrix}
          = begin{bmatrix}
          left< nabla v_1, partial_{x_1}vright>& dots & dots\
          dots & dots & dots \
          dots & dots & left< nabla v_n, partial_{x_n}vright>
          end{bmatrix}$$



          Hence,



          $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^{n} left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > ;;(1)$$



          And $$left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > = sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i};;(2)$$



          Therefore, from (1) and (2):



          $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i} ;;(3)$$



          Now $$text{div}(v) = sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i}$$



          $$left ( text{div}(v) right )^2 = left (sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} right )left (sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k} right ) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k};;(4)$$



          From (3) and (4) we deduce that $Tr(nabla v nabla v) neq left ( text{div}(v) right )^2$.



          Sorry for the computational "proof". I hope I find a more geometric one in the future.






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          By considering $nabla v$ to be the Jacobian of the vector field $v$. One can show that:



          $$nabla v nabla v = begin{bmatrix}
          nabla v_1^T\
          dots\
          nabla v_n^T
          end{bmatrix} begin{bmatrix}
          partial_{x_1}v & dots & partial_{x_n}v
          end{bmatrix}
          = begin{bmatrix}
          left< nabla v_1, partial_{x_1}vright>& dots & dots\
          dots & dots & dots \
          dots & dots & left< nabla v_n, partial_{x_n}vright>
          end{bmatrix}$$



          Hence,



          $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^{n} left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > ;;(1)$$



          And $$left< nabla v_i, partial_{x_i} vright > = sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i};;(2)$$



          Therefore, from (1) and (2):



          $$Tr(nabla v nabla v) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_k} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_i} ;;(3)$$



          Now $$text{div}(v) = sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i}$$



          $$left ( text{div}(v) right )^2 = left (sum_{i=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} right )left (sum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k} right ) = sum_{i=1}^nsum_{k=1}^n frac{partial v_i}{partial x_i} frac{partial v_k}{partial x_k};;(4)$$



          From (3) and (4) we deduce that $Tr(nabla v nabla v) neq left ( text{div}(v) right )^2$.



          Sorry for the computational "proof". I hope I find a more geometric one in the future.







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              A simple counterexample in $mathbb R^n$.



              Take the identity vector field $J: x mapsto x$. Then the Jacobian $nabla J$ is the identity matrix $I_n$. So



              $$Tr(nabla J cdot nabla J)= Tr(I_n)= n neq n^2= (div I)^2$$






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                A simple counterexample in $mathbb R^n$.



                Take the identity vector field $J: x mapsto x$. Then the Jacobian $nabla J$ is the identity matrix $I_n$. So



                $$Tr(nabla J cdot nabla J)= Tr(I_n)= n neq n^2= (div I)^2$$






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                  A simple counterexample in $mathbb R^n$.



                  Take the identity vector field $J: x mapsto x$. Then the Jacobian $nabla J$ is the identity matrix $I_n$. So



                  $$Tr(nabla J cdot nabla J)= Tr(I_n)= n neq n^2= (div I)^2$$






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                  A simple counterexample in $mathbb R^n$.



                  Take the identity vector field $J: x mapsto x$. Then the Jacobian $nabla J$ is the identity matrix $I_n$. So



                  $$Tr(nabla J cdot nabla J)= Tr(I_n)= n neq n^2= (div I)^2$$







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