Why Kolmogorov extension theorem is so important. I don't really see the implications behind.












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In many books/articles, the Kolmogorov extension theorem is mentioned, but I don't really understand in what this theorem is so important. The statement is the following :




Let $T$ denote some interval (thought of as time), and let $ninmathbb N$. For each $kinmathbb N$ and finite sequence of distinct times $t_1,...,t_kin T$, let $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ be a probability measure on $(mathbb R^n)^k$. Suppose that these measure satisfy two consistency conditions :



1) For all permutation $pi$ of ${1,...,k}$ and measurable set $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,$$nu_{pi(1),...,pi(k)}(F_{pi(1)}times ...times F_{pi(k)}),$$



2) For all measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,
$minmathbb N$ $$nu_{t_1,...,t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=nu_{t_1,...,t_k,t_{k+1},...,t_{k+m}}(F_1times ...times F_ktimes mathbb R^ntimes ...times mathbb R^n).$$



Then, there is a probability space $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ and a stochastic process $X:Ttimes Omegato mathbb R^n$ s.t. $$nu_{t_1...t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=mathbb P(X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_{k}}in F_k),$$ for all $t_iin T$, $kinmathbb N$ and measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$, i.e. $X$ has $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ as its finite dimensional distribution relative to times $t_1,...,t_k$.




First, the two consistency conditions looks quite natural, no ? How can such condition doesn't hold . I don't have any example, could someone give one ? After, I don't really understand the conclusion. If I have a stochastic process, then of course $$mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k,X_{t_{k+1}}in mathbb R^n}= mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k}$$










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    Kolmogorov's existence theorem is saying that for any family of probability measures satisfying the consistency condition, we can construct an associated process. What you are saying is that the finite-dimensional distributions of a stochastic process satisfy the consistency conditions... that's also true, but it's not the statement of the theorem. You are talking about necessary conditions for the existence of a stochastic process (with given fdds) whereas Kolmogorov's existence theorem is about sufficient conditions for the existence of a process (with given fdd's).
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    @saz : I think I see better thank you. But could you please give me an example of situation where it's necessary ? Let $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ a probability space. Let $(X_t)$ a Brownian motion (or any other stochastic process) on this probability space. Where do I have to use Kolmogorov theorem ? If it's to general, consider $([0,1], mathscr B(mathbb R),m)$ where $mathscr B(mathbb R)$ is the Borel $sigma -$algebra and $m$ Lebesgue measure.
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    Jan 2 at 21:31












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    Kolmogorov's result allows us to prove the existence of a Brownian motion (and many other stochastic processes).
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    – saz
    Jan 3 at 7:32










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    @saz : Ok, I think I get it. Just a precision, let $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ a sequence of random variable on $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$. Does Kolmogorov extension tel us that there is a probability space $(tilde Omega , mathcal G,mathbb Q)$ s.t. $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ is measurable and such that $mathbb P_k(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)=mathbb Q(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)$ where $mathbb P_k=mathbb P_{t_1}otimes...otimes mathbb P_{t_k}$,
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    Jan 3 at 13:52








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    @idm You are getting closer, but it seems to me that you are still thinking the wrong way round. Note that the family of random variables $(X_i)_i$ is not given. You are given the family of measures $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ and you have to construct $(X_i)_{i in T}$ such that the distribution of $(X_{t_1},ldots,X_{t_n})$ equals $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ for any choice of $t_i$.
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    Jan 4 at 13:01


















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In many books/articles, the Kolmogorov extension theorem is mentioned, but I don't really understand in what this theorem is so important. The statement is the following :




Let $T$ denote some interval (thought of as time), and let $ninmathbb N$. For each $kinmathbb N$ and finite sequence of distinct times $t_1,...,t_kin T$, let $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ be a probability measure on $(mathbb R^n)^k$. Suppose that these measure satisfy two consistency conditions :



1) For all permutation $pi$ of ${1,...,k}$ and measurable set $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,$$nu_{pi(1),...,pi(k)}(F_{pi(1)}times ...times F_{pi(k)}),$$



2) For all measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,
$minmathbb N$ $$nu_{t_1,...,t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=nu_{t_1,...,t_k,t_{k+1},...,t_{k+m}}(F_1times ...times F_ktimes mathbb R^ntimes ...times mathbb R^n).$$



Then, there is a probability space $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ and a stochastic process $X:Ttimes Omegato mathbb R^n$ s.t. $$nu_{t_1...t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=mathbb P(X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_{k}}in F_k),$$ for all $t_iin T$, $kinmathbb N$ and measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$, i.e. $X$ has $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ as its finite dimensional distribution relative to times $t_1,...,t_k$.




First, the two consistency conditions looks quite natural, no ? How can such condition doesn't hold . I don't have any example, could someone give one ? After, I don't really understand the conclusion. If I have a stochastic process, then of course $$mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k,X_{t_{k+1}}in mathbb R^n}= mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k}$$










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    Kolmogorov's existence theorem is saying that for any family of probability measures satisfying the consistency condition, we can construct an associated process. What you are saying is that the finite-dimensional distributions of a stochastic process satisfy the consistency conditions... that's also true, but it's not the statement of the theorem. You are talking about necessary conditions for the existence of a stochastic process (with given fdds) whereas Kolmogorov's existence theorem is about sufficient conditions for the existence of a process (with given fdd's).
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    – saz
    Jan 2 at 18:23










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    @saz : I think I see better thank you. But could you please give me an example of situation where it's necessary ? Let $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ a probability space. Let $(X_t)$ a Brownian motion (or any other stochastic process) on this probability space. Where do I have to use Kolmogorov theorem ? If it's to general, consider $([0,1], mathscr B(mathbb R),m)$ where $mathscr B(mathbb R)$ is the Borel $sigma -$algebra and $m$ Lebesgue measure.
    $endgroup$
    – idm
    Jan 2 at 21:31












  • $begingroup$
    Kolmogorov's result allows us to prove the existence of a Brownian motion (and many other stochastic processes).
    $endgroup$
    – saz
    Jan 3 at 7:32










  • $begingroup$
    @saz : Ok, I think I get it. Just a precision, let $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ a sequence of random variable on $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$. Does Kolmogorov extension tel us that there is a probability space $(tilde Omega , mathcal G,mathbb Q)$ s.t. $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ is measurable and such that $mathbb P_k(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)=mathbb Q(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)$ where $mathbb P_k=mathbb P_{t_1}otimes...otimes mathbb P_{t_k}$,
    $endgroup$
    – idm
    Jan 3 at 13:52








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    @idm You are getting closer, but it seems to me that you are still thinking the wrong way round. Note that the family of random variables $(X_i)_i$ is not given. You are given the family of measures $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ and you have to construct $(X_i)_{i in T}$ such that the distribution of $(X_{t_1},ldots,X_{t_n})$ equals $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ for any choice of $t_i$.
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    – saz
    Jan 4 at 13:01
















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In many books/articles, the Kolmogorov extension theorem is mentioned, but I don't really understand in what this theorem is so important. The statement is the following :




Let $T$ denote some interval (thought of as time), and let $ninmathbb N$. For each $kinmathbb N$ and finite sequence of distinct times $t_1,...,t_kin T$, let $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ be a probability measure on $(mathbb R^n)^k$. Suppose that these measure satisfy two consistency conditions :



1) For all permutation $pi$ of ${1,...,k}$ and measurable set $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,$$nu_{pi(1),...,pi(k)}(F_{pi(1)}times ...times F_{pi(k)}),$$



2) For all measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,
$minmathbb N$ $$nu_{t_1,...,t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=nu_{t_1,...,t_k,t_{k+1},...,t_{k+m}}(F_1times ...times F_ktimes mathbb R^ntimes ...times mathbb R^n).$$



Then, there is a probability space $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ and a stochastic process $X:Ttimes Omegato mathbb R^n$ s.t. $$nu_{t_1...t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=mathbb P(X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_{k}}in F_k),$$ for all $t_iin T$, $kinmathbb N$ and measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$, i.e. $X$ has $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ as its finite dimensional distribution relative to times $t_1,...,t_k$.




First, the two consistency conditions looks quite natural, no ? How can such condition doesn't hold . I don't have any example, could someone give one ? After, I don't really understand the conclusion. If I have a stochastic process, then of course $$mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k,X_{t_{k+1}}in mathbb R^n}= mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k}$$










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In many books/articles, the Kolmogorov extension theorem is mentioned, but I don't really understand in what this theorem is so important. The statement is the following :




Let $T$ denote some interval (thought of as time), and let $ninmathbb N$. For each $kinmathbb N$ and finite sequence of distinct times $t_1,...,t_kin T$, let $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ be a probability measure on $(mathbb R^n)^k$. Suppose that these measure satisfy two consistency conditions :



1) For all permutation $pi$ of ${1,...,k}$ and measurable set $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,$$nu_{pi(1),...,pi(k)}(F_{pi(1)}times ...times F_{pi(k)}),$$



2) For all measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$,
$minmathbb N$ $$nu_{t_1,...,t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=nu_{t_1,...,t_k,t_{k+1},...,t_{k+m}}(F_1times ...times F_ktimes mathbb R^ntimes ...times mathbb R^n).$$



Then, there is a probability space $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ and a stochastic process $X:Ttimes Omegato mathbb R^n$ s.t. $$nu_{t_1...t_k}(F_1times ...times F_k)=mathbb P(X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_{k}}in F_k),$$ for all $t_iin T$, $kinmathbb N$ and measurable sets $F_isubset mathbb R^n$, i.e. $X$ has $nu_{t_1,...,t_k}$ as its finite dimensional distribution relative to times $t_1,...,t_k$.




First, the two consistency conditions looks quite natural, no ? How can such condition doesn't hold . I don't have any example, could someone give one ? After, I don't really understand the conclusion. If I have a stochastic process, then of course $$mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k,X_{t_{k+1}}in mathbb R^n}= mathbb P{X_{t_1}in F_1,...,X_{t_k}in F_k}$$







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    Kolmogorov's existence theorem is saying that for any family of probability measures satisfying the consistency condition, we can construct an associated process. What you are saying is that the finite-dimensional distributions of a stochastic process satisfy the consistency conditions... that's also true, but it's not the statement of the theorem. You are talking about necessary conditions for the existence of a stochastic process (with given fdds) whereas Kolmogorov's existence theorem is about sufficient conditions for the existence of a process (with given fdd's).
    $endgroup$
    – saz
    Jan 2 at 18:23










  • $begingroup$
    @saz : I think I see better thank you. But could you please give me an example of situation where it's necessary ? Let $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ a probability space. Let $(X_t)$ a Brownian motion (or any other stochastic process) on this probability space. Where do I have to use Kolmogorov theorem ? If it's to general, consider $([0,1], mathscr B(mathbb R),m)$ where $mathscr B(mathbb R)$ is the Borel $sigma -$algebra and $m$ Lebesgue measure.
    $endgroup$
    – idm
    Jan 2 at 21:31












  • $begingroup$
    Kolmogorov's result allows us to prove the existence of a Brownian motion (and many other stochastic processes).
    $endgroup$
    – saz
    Jan 3 at 7:32










  • $begingroup$
    @saz : Ok, I think I get it. Just a precision, let $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ a sequence of random variable on $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$. Does Kolmogorov extension tel us that there is a probability space $(tilde Omega , mathcal G,mathbb Q)$ s.t. $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ is measurable and such that $mathbb P_k(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)=mathbb Q(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)$ where $mathbb P_k=mathbb P_{t_1}otimes...otimes mathbb P_{t_k}$,
    $endgroup$
    – idm
    Jan 3 at 13:52








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @idm You are getting closer, but it seems to me that you are still thinking the wrong way round. Note that the family of random variables $(X_i)_i$ is not given. You are given the family of measures $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ and you have to construct $(X_i)_{i in T}$ such that the distribution of $(X_{t_1},ldots,X_{t_n})$ equals $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ for any choice of $t_i$.
    $endgroup$
    – saz
    Jan 4 at 13:01
















  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Kolmogorov's existence theorem is saying that for any family of probability measures satisfying the consistency condition, we can construct an associated process. What you are saying is that the finite-dimensional distributions of a stochastic process satisfy the consistency conditions... that's also true, but it's not the statement of the theorem. You are talking about necessary conditions for the existence of a stochastic process (with given fdds) whereas Kolmogorov's existence theorem is about sufficient conditions for the existence of a process (with given fdd's).
    $endgroup$
    – saz
    Jan 2 at 18:23










  • $begingroup$
    @saz : I think I see better thank you. But could you please give me an example of situation where it's necessary ? Let $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ a probability space. Let $(X_t)$ a Brownian motion (or any other stochastic process) on this probability space. Where do I have to use Kolmogorov theorem ? If it's to general, consider $([0,1], mathscr B(mathbb R),m)$ where $mathscr B(mathbb R)$ is the Borel $sigma -$algebra and $m$ Lebesgue measure.
    $endgroup$
    – idm
    Jan 2 at 21:31












  • $begingroup$
    Kolmogorov's result allows us to prove the existence of a Brownian motion (and many other stochastic processes).
    $endgroup$
    – saz
    Jan 3 at 7:32










  • $begingroup$
    @saz : Ok, I think I get it. Just a precision, let $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ a sequence of random variable on $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$. Does Kolmogorov extension tel us that there is a probability space $(tilde Omega , mathcal G,mathbb Q)$ s.t. $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ is measurable and such that $mathbb P_k(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)=mathbb Q(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)$ where $mathbb P_k=mathbb P_{t_1}otimes...otimes mathbb P_{t_k}$,
    $endgroup$
    – idm
    Jan 3 at 13:52








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @idm You are getting closer, but it seems to me that you are still thinking the wrong way round. Note that the family of random variables $(X_i)_i$ is not given. You are given the family of measures $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ and you have to construct $(X_i)_{i in T}$ such that the distribution of $(X_{t_1},ldots,X_{t_n})$ equals $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ for any choice of $t_i$.
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    – saz
    Jan 4 at 13:01










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$begingroup$
Kolmogorov's existence theorem is saying that for any family of probability measures satisfying the consistency condition, we can construct an associated process. What you are saying is that the finite-dimensional distributions of a stochastic process satisfy the consistency conditions... that's also true, but it's not the statement of the theorem. You are talking about necessary conditions for the existence of a stochastic process (with given fdds) whereas Kolmogorov's existence theorem is about sufficient conditions for the existence of a process (with given fdd's).
$endgroup$
– saz
Jan 2 at 18:23




$begingroup$
Kolmogorov's existence theorem is saying that for any family of probability measures satisfying the consistency condition, we can construct an associated process. What you are saying is that the finite-dimensional distributions of a stochastic process satisfy the consistency conditions... that's also true, but it's not the statement of the theorem. You are talking about necessary conditions for the existence of a stochastic process (with given fdds) whereas Kolmogorov's existence theorem is about sufficient conditions for the existence of a process (with given fdd's).
$endgroup$
– saz
Jan 2 at 18:23












$begingroup$
@saz : I think I see better thank you. But could you please give me an example of situation where it's necessary ? Let $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ a probability space. Let $(X_t)$ a Brownian motion (or any other stochastic process) on this probability space. Where do I have to use Kolmogorov theorem ? If it's to general, consider $([0,1], mathscr B(mathbb R),m)$ where $mathscr B(mathbb R)$ is the Borel $sigma -$algebra and $m$ Lebesgue measure.
$endgroup$
– idm
Jan 2 at 21:31






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@saz : I think I see better thank you. But could you please give me an example of situation where it's necessary ? Let $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$ a probability space. Let $(X_t)$ a Brownian motion (or any other stochastic process) on this probability space. Where do I have to use Kolmogorov theorem ? If it's to general, consider $([0,1], mathscr B(mathbb R),m)$ where $mathscr B(mathbb R)$ is the Borel $sigma -$algebra and $m$ Lebesgue measure.
$endgroup$
– idm
Jan 2 at 21:31














$begingroup$
Kolmogorov's result allows us to prove the existence of a Brownian motion (and many other stochastic processes).
$endgroup$
– saz
Jan 3 at 7:32




$begingroup$
Kolmogorov's result allows us to prove the existence of a Brownian motion (and many other stochastic processes).
$endgroup$
– saz
Jan 3 at 7:32












$begingroup$
@saz : Ok, I think I get it. Just a precision, let $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ a sequence of random variable on $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$. Does Kolmogorov extension tel us that there is a probability space $(tilde Omega , mathcal G,mathbb Q)$ s.t. $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ is measurable and such that $mathbb P_k(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)=mathbb Q(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)$ where $mathbb P_k=mathbb P_{t_1}otimes...otimes mathbb P_{t_k}$,
$endgroup$
– idm
Jan 3 at 13:52






$begingroup$
@saz : Ok, I think I get it. Just a precision, let $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ a sequence of random variable on $(Omega ,mathcal F,mathbb P)$. Does Kolmogorov extension tel us that there is a probability space $(tilde Omega , mathcal G,mathbb Q)$ s.t. $(X_i)_{iinmathbb N}$ is measurable and such that $mathbb P_k(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)=mathbb Q(X_{t_1}in A_1,..., X_{t_k}in A_k)$ where $mathbb P_k=mathbb P_{t_1}otimes...otimes mathbb P_{t_k}$,
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– idm
Jan 3 at 13:52






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@idm You are getting closer, but it seems to me that you are still thinking the wrong way round. Note that the family of random variables $(X_i)_i$ is not given. You are given the family of measures $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ and you have to construct $(X_i)_{i in T}$ such that the distribution of $(X_{t_1},ldots,X_{t_n})$ equals $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ for any choice of $t_i$.
$endgroup$
– saz
Jan 4 at 13:01






$begingroup$
@idm You are getting closer, but it seems to me that you are still thinking the wrong way round. Note that the family of random variables $(X_i)_i$ is not given. You are given the family of measures $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ and you have to construct $(X_i)_{i in T}$ such that the distribution of $(X_{t_1},ldots,X_{t_n})$ equals $nu_{t_1,ldots,t_n}$ for any choice of $t_i$.
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