Solving $v-eta v' = vv''+v'^2$












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Question:



How to solve the differential equation



$$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$





Attempt:



This equation looks quite disgusting to me. I tried writing it in the form



$$-eta^2 frac{d}{deta}bigg(frac{v}{eta}bigg) = frac{d}{deta}bigg( vfrac{dv}{deta}bigg)$$



but that doesn't seem to help.



Honestly, I am at a loss at how to tackle this equation (not even sure if there is an easy solution for this).





Note:



This differential equation actually arose as part of my attempt to find a similarity solution for the PDE



$$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$



Letting $u(x,t) = t^a v(eta)$ where $eta = x/t^b$ and $a,b$ are constants to be specified later on, we get



begin{align}
& frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)\
implies & frac{partial u}{partial t} = ufrac{partial ^2u}{partial x^2} + bigg(frac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)^2 \
implies & at^{a - 1}v - bxt^{a-b-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2 \
implies & at^{a - 1}v - beta t^{a-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2
end{align}



So we need $a=b=1$ in order for this to be a similarity solution. The equation thus becomes



$$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$



which I am unable to solve.










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    Question:



    How to solve the differential equation



    $$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$





    Attempt:



    This equation looks quite disgusting to me. I tried writing it in the form



    $$-eta^2 frac{d}{deta}bigg(frac{v}{eta}bigg) = frac{d}{deta}bigg( vfrac{dv}{deta}bigg)$$



    but that doesn't seem to help.



    Honestly, I am at a loss at how to tackle this equation (not even sure if there is an easy solution for this).





    Note:



    This differential equation actually arose as part of my attempt to find a similarity solution for the PDE



    $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$



    Letting $u(x,t) = t^a v(eta)$ where $eta = x/t^b$ and $a,b$ are constants to be specified later on, we get



    begin{align}
    & frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)\
    implies & frac{partial u}{partial t} = ufrac{partial ^2u}{partial x^2} + bigg(frac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)^2 \
    implies & at^{a - 1}v - bxt^{a-b-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2 \
    implies & at^{a - 1}v - beta t^{a-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2
    end{align}



    So we need $a=b=1$ in order for this to be a similarity solution. The equation thus becomes



    $$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$



    which I am unable to solve.










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      Question:



      How to solve the differential equation



      $$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$





      Attempt:



      This equation looks quite disgusting to me. I tried writing it in the form



      $$-eta^2 frac{d}{deta}bigg(frac{v}{eta}bigg) = frac{d}{deta}bigg( vfrac{dv}{deta}bigg)$$



      but that doesn't seem to help.



      Honestly, I am at a loss at how to tackle this equation (not even sure if there is an easy solution for this).





      Note:



      This differential equation actually arose as part of my attempt to find a similarity solution for the PDE



      $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$



      Letting $u(x,t) = t^a v(eta)$ where $eta = x/t^b$ and $a,b$ are constants to be specified later on, we get



      begin{align}
      & frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)\
      implies & frac{partial u}{partial t} = ufrac{partial ^2u}{partial x^2} + bigg(frac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)^2 \
      implies & at^{a - 1}v - bxt^{a-b-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2 \
      implies & at^{a - 1}v - beta t^{a-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2
      end{align}



      So we need $a=b=1$ in order for this to be a similarity solution. The equation thus becomes



      $$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$



      which I am unable to solve.










      share|cite|improve this question









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      Question:



      How to solve the differential equation



      $$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$





      Attempt:



      This equation looks quite disgusting to me. I tried writing it in the form



      $$-eta^2 frac{d}{deta}bigg(frac{v}{eta}bigg) = frac{d}{deta}bigg( vfrac{dv}{deta}bigg)$$



      but that doesn't seem to help.



      Honestly, I am at a loss at how to tackle this equation (not even sure if there is an easy solution for this).





      Note:



      This differential equation actually arose as part of my attempt to find a similarity solution for the PDE



      $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$



      Letting $u(x,t) = t^a v(eta)$ where $eta = x/t^b$ and $a,b$ are constants to be specified later on, we get



      begin{align}
      & frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)\
      implies & frac{partial u}{partial t} = ufrac{partial ^2u}{partial x^2} + bigg(frac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)^2 \
      implies & at^{a - 1}v - bxt^{a-b-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2 \
      implies & at^{a - 1}v - beta t^{a-1}v' = t^{2a-2b}vv'' + t^{2a-2b} v'^2
      end{align}



      So we need $a=b=1$ in order for this to be a similarity solution. The equation thus becomes



      $$v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$$



      which I am unable to solve.







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          What makes you think that the equation $v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$ can be solved in terms of a limited number of standard functions ?



          In fact this arduous equation results from a guess about the existence of solutions of the PDE $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$
          on the particular form $u(x,t) = t^a vleft(x/t^bright)$.



          More simply, why not looking for solutions of the form :
          $$u(x,t)=f(x)g(t)$$
          $$f(x)g'(t)=f(x)f''(x)(g(t))^2+(f'(x))^2(g(t))^2$$
          $$frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda=text{constant}$$
          because a function of $t$ can be equal to a function of $x$ only if those fonctions are constant.



          Solving $frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=lambda$ leads to
          $$g(t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}$$



          $f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda$ is an autonomous ODE. The usual method to solve this kind of ODE leads to :
          $$f(x)=left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          This method of separation of variables leads to a family of solutions with four parameters $lambda, c_0,c_1,c_2$ :
          $$u(x,t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          Of course, other solutions of the PDE cannot derive from linear combination of those particular solutions since the PDE is not linear.






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            I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
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            The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
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            – JJacquelin
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            Oh neat! Thanks
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            – AEngineer
            Jan 14 at 4:07











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          What makes you think that the equation $v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$ can be solved in terms of a limited number of standard functions ?



          In fact this arduous equation results from a guess about the existence of solutions of the PDE $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$
          on the particular form $u(x,t) = t^a vleft(x/t^bright)$.



          More simply, why not looking for solutions of the form :
          $$u(x,t)=f(x)g(t)$$
          $$f(x)g'(t)=f(x)f''(x)(g(t))^2+(f'(x))^2(g(t))^2$$
          $$frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda=text{constant}$$
          because a function of $t$ can be equal to a function of $x$ only if those fonctions are constant.



          Solving $frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=lambda$ leads to
          $$g(t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}$$



          $f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda$ is an autonomous ODE. The usual method to solve this kind of ODE leads to :
          $$f(x)=left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          This method of separation of variables leads to a family of solutions with four parameters $lambda, c_0,c_1,c_2$ :
          $$u(x,t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          Of course, other solutions of the PDE cannot derive from linear combination of those particular solutions since the PDE is not linear.






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            I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
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            – AEngineer
            Jan 11 at 5:43










          • $begingroup$
            The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
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            – JJacquelin
            Jan 11 at 7:17












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            Oh neat! Thanks
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            – AEngineer
            Jan 14 at 4:07
















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          $begingroup$

          What makes you think that the equation $v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$ can be solved in terms of a limited number of standard functions ?



          In fact this arduous equation results from a guess about the existence of solutions of the PDE $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$
          on the particular form $u(x,t) = t^a vleft(x/t^bright)$.



          More simply, why not looking for solutions of the form :
          $$u(x,t)=f(x)g(t)$$
          $$f(x)g'(t)=f(x)f''(x)(g(t))^2+(f'(x))^2(g(t))^2$$
          $$frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda=text{constant}$$
          because a function of $t$ can be equal to a function of $x$ only if those fonctions are constant.



          Solving $frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=lambda$ leads to
          $$g(t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}$$



          $f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda$ is an autonomous ODE. The usual method to solve this kind of ODE leads to :
          $$f(x)=left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          This method of separation of variables leads to a family of solutions with four parameters $lambda, c_0,c_1,c_2$ :
          $$u(x,t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          Of course, other solutions of the PDE cannot derive from linear combination of those particular solutions since the PDE is not linear.






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          • $begingroup$
            I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
            $endgroup$
            – AEngineer
            Jan 11 at 5:43










          • $begingroup$
            The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
            $endgroup$
            – JJacquelin
            Jan 11 at 7:17












          • $begingroup$
            Oh neat! Thanks
            $endgroup$
            – AEngineer
            Jan 14 at 4:07














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          $begingroup$

          What makes you think that the equation $v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$ can be solved in terms of a limited number of standard functions ?



          In fact this arduous equation results from a guess about the existence of solutions of the PDE $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$
          on the particular form $u(x,t) = t^a vleft(x/t^bright)$.



          More simply, why not looking for solutions of the form :
          $$u(x,t)=f(x)g(t)$$
          $$f(x)g'(t)=f(x)f''(x)(g(t))^2+(f'(x))^2(g(t))^2$$
          $$frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda=text{constant}$$
          because a function of $t$ can be equal to a function of $x$ only if those fonctions are constant.



          Solving $frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=lambda$ leads to
          $$g(t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}$$



          $f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda$ is an autonomous ODE. The usual method to solve this kind of ODE leads to :
          $$f(x)=left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          This method of separation of variables leads to a family of solutions with four parameters $lambda, c_0,c_1,c_2$ :
          $$u(x,t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          Of course, other solutions of the PDE cannot derive from linear combination of those particular solutions since the PDE is not linear.






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          What makes you think that the equation $v - eta frac{dv}{deta} = vfrac{d^2v}{deta^2} + bigg(frac{dv}{deta}bigg)^2$ can be solved in terms of a limited number of standard functions ?



          In fact this arduous equation results from a guess about the existence of solutions of the PDE $$frac{partial u}{partial t} = frac{partial}{partial x}bigg(ufrac{partial u}{partial x}bigg)$$
          on the particular form $u(x,t) = t^a vleft(x/t^bright)$.



          More simply, why not looking for solutions of the form :
          $$u(x,t)=f(x)g(t)$$
          $$f(x)g'(t)=f(x)f''(x)(g(t))^2+(f'(x))^2(g(t))^2$$
          $$frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda=text{constant}$$
          because a function of $t$ can be equal to a function of $x$ only if those fonctions are constant.



          Solving $frac{g'(t)}{(g(t))^2}=lambda$ leads to
          $$g(t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}$$



          $f''(x)+frac{f'(x))^2}{f(x)}=lambda$ is an autonomous ODE. The usual method to solve this kind of ODE leads to :
          $$f(x)=left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          This method of separation of variables leads to a family of solutions with four parameters $lambda, c_0,c_1,c_2$ :
          $$u(x,t)=-frac{1}{lambda t+c_1}left(lambda e^{-c_2(x-x_0)/2}+frac{1}{c_2^2}e^{c_2(x-x_0)/2} right)^2$$
          Of course, other solutions of the PDE cannot derive from linear combination of those particular solutions since the PDE is not linear.







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          • $begingroup$
            I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
            $endgroup$
            – AEngineer
            Jan 11 at 5:43










          • $begingroup$
            The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
            $endgroup$
            – JJacquelin
            Jan 11 at 7:17












          • $begingroup$
            Oh neat! Thanks
            $endgroup$
            – AEngineer
            Jan 14 at 4:07


















          • $begingroup$
            I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
            $endgroup$
            – AEngineer
            Jan 11 at 5:43










          • $begingroup$
            The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
            $endgroup$
            – JJacquelin
            Jan 11 at 7:17












          • $begingroup$
            Oh neat! Thanks
            $endgroup$
            – AEngineer
            Jan 14 at 4:07
















          $begingroup$
          I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
          $endgroup$
          – AEngineer
          Jan 11 at 5:43




          $begingroup$
          I can't seem to get $f$ to satisfy its ODE. I remember trying to solve this PDE last week or so and I couldn't get past finding a way to solve for $f$. Could you name the method/provide a link for how to do it or provide some quick explanation?
          $endgroup$
          – AEngineer
          Jan 11 at 5:43












          $begingroup$
          The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
          $endgroup$
          – JJacquelin
          Jan 11 at 7:17






          $begingroup$
          The ODE is on autonomous kind : mathworld.wolfram.com/Autonomous.html . The usual change in order to reduce the order is $$frac{df}{dx}=F(f(x))$$ $frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=frac{dF}{df}frac{df}{dx}=FF'$ $$FF'+frac{F^2}{f}=lambda$$ Let $G(f)=F^2$ leading to a first order linear equation.
          $endgroup$
          – JJacquelin
          Jan 11 at 7:17














          $begingroup$
          Oh neat! Thanks
          $endgroup$
          – AEngineer
          Jan 14 at 4:07




          $begingroup$
          Oh neat! Thanks
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