Action of $GL(Bbb F_2^3)$ on the sub-spaces of $Bbb F_2^3$ of dimension $2$
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Let $V=Bbb F_2^3$ and let $G=GL(V)$ act naturally on the set $X={Wsubset V:text{sub-vector space,}dim =2}$
If $Win X$ how do you determine the $Stab_G(W)$? and why shoud the cardinality of $Stab_G(W)$ be the same for different $W$'s?
If we want to prove that the action is transitive why is it enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$?
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Let $V=Bbb F_2^3$ and let $G=GL(V)$ act naturally on the set $X={Wsubset V:text{sub-vector space,}dim =2}$
If $Win X$ how do you determine the $Stab_G(W)$? and why shoud the cardinality of $Stab_G(W)$ be the same for different $W$'s?
If we want to prove that the action is transitive why is it enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$?
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The statement that you say it is enough to verify is false, for example with $u=e_1$ and $v=e_3$.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:09
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Also, what does "for some arbitrary" mean? The words "some" and "arbitrary" contradict each other.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:12
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So how should we verify that the action is transitive?
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– John Cataldo
Jan 15 at 14:25
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Your statement about transitivity is incorrect, but a slight modification is. To prove that the action is transitive, it is enough to prove that given any linearly independent vectors $u,v in V$, there exists matrix $M$ such that $Me_1 = u, Me_2 = v$, and $textbf{importantly}$ $Me_3$ is not contained within the two dimensional subspace of $V$ spanned by $u,v$. Can see you see why this is true? Note that the requirement on the image of $e_3$ under $M$ is equivalent to the requirement that $M$ is invertible.
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– Adam Higgins
Jan 15 at 14:34
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It is enough to verify that for all pairs $u,v$ of linearly independent vectors, there is an element of $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. That follows immediately from the definition of transitivity.
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– Derek Holt
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Let $V=Bbb F_2^3$ and let $G=GL(V)$ act naturally on the set $X={Wsubset V:text{sub-vector space,}dim =2}$
If $Win X$ how do you determine the $Stab_G(W)$? and why shoud the cardinality of $Stab_G(W)$ be the same for different $W$'s?
If we want to prove that the action is transitive why is it enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$?
group-theory vector-spaces group-actions general-linear-group
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Let $V=Bbb F_2^3$ and let $G=GL(V)$ act naturally on the set $X={Wsubset V:text{sub-vector space,}dim =2}$
If $Win X$ how do you determine the $Stab_G(W)$? and why shoud the cardinality of $Stab_G(W)$ be the same for different $W$'s?
If we want to prove that the action is transitive why is it enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$?
group-theory vector-spaces group-actions general-linear-group
group-theory vector-spaces group-actions general-linear-group
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The statement that you say it is enough to verify is false, for example with $u=e_1$ and $v=e_3$.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:09
1
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Also, what does "for some arbitrary" mean? The words "some" and "arbitrary" contradict each other.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:12
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So how should we verify that the action is transitive?
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– John Cataldo
Jan 15 at 14:25
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Your statement about transitivity is incorrect, but a slight modification is. To prove that the action is transitive, it is enough to prove that given any linearly independent vectors $u,v in V$, there exists matrix $M$ such that $Me_1 = u, Me_2 = v$, and $textbf{importantly}$ $Me_3$ is not contained within the two dimensional subspace of $V$ spanned by $u,v$. Can see you see why this is true? Note that the requirement on the image of $e_3$ under $M$ is equivalent to the requirement that $M$ is invertible.
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– Adam Higgins
Jan 15 at 14:34
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It is enough to verify that for all pairs $u,v$ of linearly independent vectors, there is an element of $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. That follows immediately from the definition of transitivity.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:34
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2
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The statement that you say it is enough to verify is false, for example with $u=e_1$ and $v=e_3$.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:09
1
$begingroup$
Also, what does "for some arbitrary" mean? The words "some" and "arbitrary" contradict each other.
$endgroup$
– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:12
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So how should we verify that the action is transitive?
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– John Cataldo
Jan 15 at 14:25
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Your statement about transitivity is incorrect, but a slight modification is. To prove that the action is transitive, it is enough to prove that given any linearly independent vectors $u,v in V$, there exists matrix $M$ such that $Me_1 = u, Me_2 = v$, and $textbf{importantly}$ $Me_3$ is not contained within the two dimensional subspace of $V$ spanned by $u,v$. Can see you see why this is true? Note that the requirement on the image of $e_3$ under $M$ is equivalent to the requirement that $M$ is invertible.
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– Adam Higgins
Jan 15 at 14:34
1
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It is enough to verify that for all pairs $u,v$ of linearly independent vectors, there is an element of $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. That follows immediately from the definition of transitivity.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:34
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2
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The statement that you say it is enough to verify is false, for example with $u=e_1$ and $v=e_3$.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:09
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The statement that you say it is enough to verify is false, for example with $u=e_1$ and $v=e_3$.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:09
1
1
$begingroup$
Also, what does "for some arbitrary" mean? The words "some" and "arbitrary" contradict each other.
$endgroup$
– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:12
$begingroup$
Also, what does "for some arbitrary" mean? The words "some" and "arbitrary" contradict each other.
$endgroup$
– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:12
$begingroup$
So how should we verify that the action is transitive?
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– John Cataldo
Jan 15 at 14:25
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So how should we verify that the action is transitive?
$endgroup$
– John Cataldo
Jan 15 at 14:25
$begingroup$
Your statement about transitivity is incorrect, but a slight modification is. To prove that the action is transitive, it is enough to prove that given any linearly independent vectors $u,v in V$, there exists matrix $M$ such that $Me_1 = u, Me_2 = v$, and $textbf{importantly}$ $Me_3$ is not contained within the two dimensional subspace of $V$ spanned by $u,v$. Can see you see why this is true? Note that the requirement on the image of $e_3$ under $M$ is equivalent to the requirement that $M$ is invertible.
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– Adam Higgins
Jan 15 at 14:34
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Your statement about transitivity is incorrect, but a slight modification is. To prove that the action is transitive, it is enough to prove that given any linearly independent vectors $u,v in V$, there exists matrix $M$ such that $Me_1 = u, Me_2 = v$, and $textbf{importantly}$ $Me_3$ is not contained within the two dimensional subspace of $V$ spanned by $u,v$. Can see you see why this is true? Note that the requirement on the image of $e_3$ under $M$ is equivalent to the requirement that $M$ is invertible.
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– Adam Higgins
Jan 15 at 14:34
1
1
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It is enough to verify that for all pairs $u,v$ of linearly independent vectors, there is an element of $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. That follows immediately from the definition of transitivity.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:34
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It is enough to verify that for all pairs $u,v$ of linearly independent vectors, there is an element of $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. That follows immediately from the definition of transitivity.
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To prove transitivity it would be enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$, but unfortunately such a matrix does not always exist. After all, the vectors $u$, $v$ and $e_3$ may be linearly dependent.
Fortunately, it is already enough to show that for every pair of linearly independent vectors $u,vin V$ there exists a matrix in $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. This would imply that the hyperplanes $operatorname{span}(e_1,e_2)$ and $operatorname{span}(u,v)$ are in the same orbit under the action of $G$, and hence that all hyperplanes are in the same orbit, i.e. that the action is transitive.
It is a basic fact (or simple exercise) on group actions that elements in the same $G$-orbit have conjugate stabilizers; in particular their stabilizers have the same cardinality.
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Your question on transitivity has been answered in the comments, but with regards to your question on $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for $W$ a two dimensional subspace of $V$. Note that because we have transitivity, $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) cong operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$ for any pairs $W,W' in X$. Indeed, suppose that $W, W' in X$. Then by transitivity, there exists $g in G$ such that $gW = W'$. Now suppose that $h in operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$, then $hcdot w' in w'$ for every $w' in W'$, and so $(hg) cdot w in W'$ for every $w in W$, and so finally $(g^{-1}hg)cdot w in W$ for every $w in W$. This should make it clear that the map $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W') rightarrow operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ such that $h mapsto g^{-1}hg$ is an isomorphism. Thus, the stabalisers of pairs of elements of $X$ have the same cardinality, and so the stabiliser of all elements of $X$ must have the same cardinality.
Note that the above also allows us to calculate $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for any $W$ by calculating $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for our favourite subspace $W = left< e_1, e_2 right> subseteq V$. It should be easy to see that for this $W$ we have
$$
operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) = left{ begin{pmatrix} a & b & p \ c & d & q \ 0 & 0 & r end{pmatrix} : ad - bc neq 0, r neq 0 right}
$$
and so
$$
left|operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) right| = left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right|left|mathbb{F}_2^{times} right|left| mathbb{F}_2 right|^{2} = 4left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right| = 4cdot 6 = 24
$$
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To prove transitivity it would be enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$, but unfortunately such a matrix does not always exist. After all, the vectors $u$, $v$ and $e_3$ may be linearly dependent.
Fortunately, it is already enough to show that for every pair of linearly independent vectors $u,vin V$ there exists a matrix in $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. This would imply that the hyperplanes $operatorname{span}(e_1,e_2)$ and $operatorname{span}(u,v)$ are in the same orbit under the action of $G$, and hence that all hyperplanes are in the same orbit, i.e. that the action is transitive.
It is a basic fact (or simple exercise) on group actions that elements in the same $G$-orbit have conjugate stabilizers; in particular their stabilizers have the same cardinality.
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To prove transitivity it would be enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$, but unfortunately such a matrix does not always exist. After all, the vectors $u$, $v$ and $e_3$ may be linearly dependent.
Fortunately, it is already enough to show that for every pair of linearly independent vectors $u,vin V$ there exists a matrix in $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. This would imply that the hyperplanes $operatorname{span}(e_1,e_2)$ and $operatorname{span}(u,v)$ are in the same orbit under the action of $G$, and hence that all hyperplanes are in the same orbit, i.e. that the action is transitive.
It is a basic fact (or simple exercise) on group actions that elements in the same $G$-orbit have conjugate stabilizers; in particular their stabilizers have the same cardinality.
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To prove transitivity it would be enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$, but unfortunately such a matrix does not always exist. After all, the vectors $u$, $v$ and $e_3$ may be linearly dependent.
Fortunately, it is already enough to show that for every pair of linearly independent vectors $u,vin V$ there exists a matrix in $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. This would imply that the hyperplanes $operatorname{span}(e_1,e_2)$ and $operatorname{span}(u,v)$ are in the same orbit under the action of $G$, and hence that all hyperplanes are in the same orbit, i.e. that the action is transitive.
It is a basic fact (or simple exercise) on group actions that elements in the same $G$-orbit have conjugate stabilizers; in particular their stabilizers have the same cardinality.
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To prove transitivity it would be enough to verify that there exists a matrix that sends $e_1$ to $u$, $e_2$ to $v$ and $e_3$ to $e_3$ for arbitrary linearly independent vectors $u,v$, but unfortunately such a matrix does not always exist. After all, the vectors $u$, $v$ and $e_3$ may be linearly dependent.
Fortunately, it is already enough to show that for every pair of linearly independent vectors $u,vin V$ there exists a matrix in $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. This would imply that the hyperplanes $operatorname{span}(e_1,e_2)$ and $operatorname{span}(u,v)$ are in the same orbit under the action of $G$, and hence that all hyperplanes are in the same orbit, i.e. that the action is transitive.
It is a basic fact (or simple exercise) on group actions that elements in the same $G$-orbit have conjugate stabilizers; in particular their stabilizers have the same cardinality.
answered Jan 15 at 14:47
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Your question on transitivity has been answered in the comments, but with regards to your question on $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for $W$ a two dimensional subspace of $V$. Note that because we have transitivity, $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) cong operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$ for any pairs $W,W' in X$. Indeed, suppose that $W, W' in X$. Then by transitivity, there exists $g in G$ such that $gW = W'$. Now suppose that $h in operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$, then $hcdot w' in w'$ for every $w' in W'$, and so $(hg) cdot w in W'$ for every $w in W$, and so finally $(g^{-1}hg)cdot w in W$ for every $w in W$. This should make it clear that the map $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W') rightarrow operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ such that $h mapsto g^{-1}hg$ is an isomorphism. Thus, the stabalisers of pairs of elements of $X$ have the same cardinality, and so the stabiliser of all elements of $X$ must have the same cardinality.
Note that the above also allows us to calculate $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for any $W$ by calculating $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for our favourite subspace $W = left< e_1, e_2 right> subseteq V$. It should be easy to see that for this $W$ we have
$$
operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) = left{ begin{pmatrix} a & b & p \ c & d & q \ 0 & 0 & r end{pmatrix} : ad - bc neq 0, r neq 0 right}
$$
and so
$$
left|operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) right| = left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right|left|mathbb{F}_2^{times} right|left| mathbb{F}_2 right|^{2} = 4left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right| = 4cdot 6 = 24
$$
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Your question on transitivity has been answered in the comments, but with regards to your question on $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for $W$ a two dimensional subspace of $V$. Note that because we have transitivity, $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) cong operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$ for any pairs $W,W' in X$. Indeed, suppose that $W, W' in X$. Then by transitivity, there exists $g in G$ such that $gW = W'$. Now suppose that $h in operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$, then $hcdot w' in w'$ for every $w' in W'$, and so $(hg) cdot w in W'$ for every $w in W$, and so finally $(g^{-1}hg)cdot w in W$ for every $w in W$. This should make it clear that the map $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W') rightarrow operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ such that $h mapsto g^{-1}hg$ is an isomorphism. Thus, the stabalisers of pairs of elements of $X$ have the same cardinality, and so the stabiliser of all elements of $X$ must have the same cardinality.
Note that the above also allows us to calculate $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for any $W$ by calculating $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for our favourite subspace $W = left< e_1, e_2 right> subseteq V$. It should be easy to see that for this $W$ we have
$$
operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) = left{ begin{pmatrix} a & b & p \ c & d & q \ 0 & 0 & r end{pmatrix} : ad - bc neq 0, r neq 0 right}
$$
and so
$$
left|operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) right| = left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right|left|mathbb{F}_2^{times} right|left| mathbb{F}_2 right|^{2} = 4left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right| = 4cdot 6 = 24
$$
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Your question on transitivity has been answered in the comments, but with regards to your question on $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for $W$ a two dimensional subspace of $V$. Note that because we have transitivity, $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) cong operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$ for any pairs $W,W' in X$. Indeed, suppose that $W, W' in X$. Then by transitivity, there exists $g in G$ such that $gW = W'$. Now suppose that $h in operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$, then $hcdot w' in w'$ for every $w' in W'$, and so $(hg) cdot w in W'$ for every $w in W$, and so finally $(g^{-1}hg)cdot w in W$ for every $w in W$. This should make it clear that the map $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W') rightarrow operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ such that $h mapsto g^{-1}hg$ is an isomorphism. Thus, the stabalisers of pairs of elements of $X$ have the same cardinality, and so the stabiliser of all elements of $X$ must have the same cardinality.
Note that the above also allows us to calculate $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for any $W$ by calculating $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for our favourite subspace $W = left< e_1, e_2 right> subseteq V$. It should be easy to see that for this $W$ we have
$$
operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) = left{ begin{pmatrix} a & b & p \ c & d & q \ 0 & 0 & r end{pmatrix} : ad - bc neq 0, r neq 0 right}
$$
and so
$$
left|operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) right| = left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right|left|mathbb{F}_2^{times} right|left| mathbb{F}_2 right|^{2} = 4left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right| = 4cdot 6 = 24
$$
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Your question on transitivity has been answered in the comments, but with regards to your question on $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for $W$ a two dimensional subspace of $V$. Note that because we have transitivity, $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) cong operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$ for any pairs $W,W' in X$. Indeed, suppose that $W, W' in X$. Then by transitivity, there exists $g in G$ such that $gW = W'$. Now suppose that $h in operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W')$, then $hcdot w' in w'$ for every $w' in W'$, and so $(hg) cdot w in W'$ for every $w in W$, and so finally $(g^{-1}hg)cdot w in W$ for every $w in W$. This should make it clear that the map $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W') rightarrow operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ such that $h mapsto g^{-1}hg$ is an isomorphism. Thus, the stabalisers of pairs of elements of $X$ have the same cardinality, and so the stabiliser of all elements of $X$ must have the same cardinality.
Note that the above also allows us to calculate $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for any $W$ by calculating $operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W)$ for our favourite subspace $W = left< e_1, e_2 right> subseteq V$. It should be easy to see that for this $W$ we have
$$
operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) = left{ begin{pmatrix} a & b & p \ c & d & q \ 0 & 0 & r end{pmatrix} : ad - bc neq 0, r neq 0 right}
$$
and so
$$
left|operatorname{Stab}_{G}(W) right| = left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right|left|mathbb{F}_2^{times} right|left| mathbb{F}_2 right|^{2} = 4left| operatorname{GL}_{2}left(mathbb{F}_2 right)right| = 4cdot 6 = 24
$$
answered Jan 15 at 14:56
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The statement that you say it is enough to verify is false, for example with $u=e_1$ and $v=e_3$.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:09
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Also, what does "for some arbitrary" mean? The words "some" and "arbitrary" contradict each other.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:12
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So how should we verify that the action is transitive?
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– John Cataldo
Jan 15 at 14:25
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Your statement about transitivity is incorrect, but a slight modification is. To prove that the action is transitive, it is enough to prove that given any linearly independent vectors $u,v in V$, there exists matrix $M$ such that $Me_1 = u, Me_2 = v$, and $textbf{importantly}$ $Me_3$ is not contained within the two dimensional subspace of $V$ spanned by $u,v$. Can see you see why this is true? Note that the requirement on the image of $e_3$ under $M$ is equivalent to the requirement that $M$ is invertible.
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– Adam Higgins
Jan 15 at 14:34
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It is enough to verify that for all pairs $u,v$ of linearly independent vectors, there is an element of $G$ that maps $e_1$ to $u$ and $e_2$ to $v$. That follows immediately from the definition of transitivity.
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– Derek Holt
Jan 15 at 14:34