Limit of a sequence of integrals involving continued fractions
The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a Peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
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The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a Peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
calculus limits definite-integrals continued-fractions
Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
Nov 19 '18 at 5:59
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
2
@JimmySabater Although first-year students have never heard of the dominated convergence theorem, they often act as though it were obvious.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 19 '18 at 16:35
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The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a Peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
calculus limits definite-integrals continued-fractions
The following question was asked in a calculus exam in UNI, a Peruvian university. It is meant to be for freshman calculus students.
Find $lim_{n to infty} A_n $ if
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + sqrt{x} }, ; ; ; A_2 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}} }, ; ; ; A_3 =
intlimits_0^1 frac{dx}{1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}} },
...$$
First of all, I think this is a hard question for a midterm exam, but anyway, notice that we can calculate $A_1$ by making $t=sqrt{x}$
$$ A_1 = intlimits_0^1 frac{2 t dt }{1+t} = 2 intlimits_0^1 dt - 2 intlimits_0^1 frac{dt}{1+t}=2-2(ln2)=2-ln2^2 $$
Now, as for $A_2$ I would do $t = frac{1}{1+sqrt{x}}$ which gives $d t = frac{ dx}{2 sqrt{x} (1+sqrt{x})^2} = frac{t^2 dx}{2 (t-1)}$ thus upon sustituticion we get
$$ A_2 = - intlimits_1^{1/2} frac{2 (t-1) }{t^2(1+t) } dt $$
which can easily solved by partial fractions or so. But, apparently this is not the way this problem is meant to be solved as this exam contained 4 questions to be solved in an hour. What is the trick, if any, that can be used to solve this problem without doing the unellegant partial fractions?
calculus limits definite-integrals continued-fractions
calculus limits definite-integrals continued-fractions
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Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
Nov 19 '18 at 5:59
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
2
@JimmySabater Although first-year students have never heard of the dominated convergence theorem, they often act as though it were obvious.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 19 '18 at 16:35
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Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
Nov 19 '18 at 5:59
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
2
@JimmySabater Although first-year students have never heard of the dominated convergence theorem, they often act as though it were obvious.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 19 '18 at 16:35
Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
Nov 19 '18 at 5:59
Can you prove it is valid to change the position of $lim$ and $int$?
– Kemono Chen
Nov 19 '18 at 5:59
1
1
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
@Szeto: Could you post your comment as an answer (with details)? ( ̄▽ ̄)
– Tianlalu
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
1
1
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
2
2
@JimmySabater Although first-year students have never heard of the dominated convergence theorem, they often act as though it were obvious.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 19 '18 at 16:35
@JimmySabater Although first-year students have never heard of the dominated convergence theorem, they often act as though it were obvious.
– Andreas Blass
Nov 19 '18 at 16:35
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As requested by the OP in a comment deleted by a moderator, switching of limit and integral sign is avoided as it requires a higher-than-expected level of knowledge for justification. Thus, a ‘simpler’ approach is presented.
By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
10
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
add a comment |
If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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$sqrt{x}$
is a McGuffin.
More generally,
let
$f_1 = frac{1}{1 + g(x) }
$
where
$g'(x) > 0,
g(0) = 0
$,
$f_n(x)
=frac{1}{1+f_{n-1}(x)}
$,
and
$A_n = int_0^1 f_n(x) dx
$.
Then
$f_n(x)
to dfrac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$.
Note:
I doubt that any of this
is original,
but this was all done
just now by me.
Proof.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)
&=frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+f_{n-2}(x)}}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{1+f_{n-2}(x)+1}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
Therefore,
if $f_{n-2}(x) > 0$
then
$frac12 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
Similarly,
if $f_{n-1}(x) > 0$
then
$0 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)-f_{n-2}(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}-f_{n-2}(x)\
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}(x)(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)+f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}+(dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)})^2\
&=dfrac{(1+f_{n-2}(x))(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}+dfrac{1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{2+3f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)+1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
text{so}\
1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{4+4f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)-(3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
end{array}
$
Therefore
$1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)$
has the same sign as
$1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)$.
Also,
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
lt frac14|1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)|
$
so
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
to 0$.
Let
$p(x) = 1-x-x^2$
and
$x_0 = frac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$
so
$p(x_0) = 0$,
$p'(x) < 0$ for $x ge 0$.
Since
$f_n(x) > 0$,
$f_n(x)
to x_0$.
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
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As requested by the OP in a comment deleted by a moderator, switching of limit and integral sign is avoided as it requires a higher-than-expected level of knowledge for justification. Thus, a ‘simpler’ approach is presented.
By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
10
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
add a comment |
As requested by the OP in a comment deleted by a moderator, switching of limit and integral sign is avoided as it requires a higher-than-expected level of knowledge for justification. Thus, a ‘simpler’ approach is presented.
By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
10
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
add a comment |
As requested by the OP in a comment deleted by a moderator, switching of limit and integral sign is avoided as it requires a higher-than-expected level of knowledge for justification. Thus, a ‘simpler’ approach is presented.
By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
As requested by the OP in a comment deleted by a moderator, switching of limit and integral sign is avoided as it requires a higher-than-expected level of knowledge for justification. Thus, a ‘simpler’ approach is presented.
By the substitution $t=sqrt x$,
$$A_n=int^1_0f_n(t^2)(2tdt)$$
$f_n(t^2)$ is of the form
$$f_n(t^2)=frac{a_n+b_nt}{c_n+d_nt}$$
We have the recurrence relation
$$a_{n+1}=c_n$$
$$b_{n+1}=d_n$$
$$c_{n+1}=a_n+c_n$$
$$d_{n+1}=b_n+d_n$$
Or
$$c_{n+1}=c_n+c_{n-1}$$
$$d_{n+1}=d_n+d_{n-1}$$
which are the Fibonacci recurrence with initial conditions
$$c_0=1, c_1=1$$
$$d_0=0, d_1=1$$
I think you can now proceed.
Also, the general term of Fibonacci sequence $0,1,1,cdots$ is
$$frac{phi^n-overlinephi^n}{sqrt5}$$ where $phi=frac{1+sqrt 5}2$.
edited Nov 20 '18 at 9:20
answered Nov 19 '18 at 6:29
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It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
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10
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
10
10
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
It is very nice, but I believe this is a hard question to ask in a midterm for beginners. I dont think there is a more elementary solution, correct?
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:44
add a comment |
If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
add a comment |
If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
add a comment |
If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
If I were taking that exam, I'd speculate covergence and write the integrand for $A_infty$ as
$$ S_infty(x) = frac{1}{ 1 + frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+frac{1}{ddots} }}} = frac{1}{1+S_infty(x)}$$
Solve the resulting quadratic for $S_infty^2(x) + S_infty(x) -1 = 0$ for $S_infty(x)=frac{-1+sqrt{5}}{2}$. Then we immediately have $A_infty = S_infty$.
Then, I'd sit there and wonder what they intended for me to actually show on a freshman calculus exam.
answered Nov 19 '18 at 7:29
zahbaz
8,22421937
8,22421937
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
add a comment |
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@zahbaz Is there a particular reason you choose the positive root to the quadratic equation?
– Jonathan Chiang
Nov 19 '18 at 21:12
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@JonathanChiang Every term in the continued fraction $S_infty(x)$ is positive and all operations involve addition, so it must be positive.
– zahbaz
Nov 19 '18 at 21:27
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
@zahbaz tell that to $zeta(-1)$
– Peter
Nov 20 '18 at 12:57
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
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Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
Let $A_n = intlimits_0^1 f_n(x) dx$. First show that each $f_n$ is a monotonically increasing or decreasing function in the range $[0,1]$, and hence $A_n$ lies between $f_n(0)$ and $f_n(1)$. Then note that
$f_n(0) = 1, frac{1}{2}, frac{2}{3}, frac{3}{5}, dots$
are the convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$, and $f_n(1) = f_{n+1}(0)$. So we have
$frac{1}{2} le A_1 le 1$
$frac{1}{2} le A_2 le frac{2}{3}$
$frac{3}{5} le A_3 le frac{2}{3}$
and so on.
So the sequence $A_n$ is squeezed between consecutive convergents of the continued fraction expansion of $phi$. And so $lim_{n to infty} A_n = phi$.
answered Nov 19 '18 at 10:51
gandalf61
7,718623
7,718623
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$sqrt{x}$
is a McGuffin.
More generally,
let
$f_1 = frac{1}{1 + g(x) }
$
where
$g'(x) > 0,
g(0) = 0
$,
$f_n(x)
=frac{1}{1+f_{n-1}(x)}
$,
and
$A_n = int_0^1 f_n(x) dx
$.
Then
$f_n(x)
to dfrac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$.
Note:
I doubt that any of this
is original,
but this was all done
just now by me.
Proof.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)
&=frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+f_{n-2}(x)}}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{1+f_{n-2}(x)+1}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
Therefore,
if $f_{n-2}(x) > 0$
then
$frac12 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
Similarly,
if $f_{n-1}(x) > 0$
then
$0 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)-f_{n-2}(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}-f_{n-2}(x)\
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}(x)(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)+f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}+(dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)})^2\
&=dfrac{(1+f_{n-2}(x))(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}+dfrac{1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{2+3f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)+1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
text{so}\
1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{4+4f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)-(3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
end{array}
$
Therefore
$1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)$
has the same sign as
$1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)$.
Also,
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
lt frac14|1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)|
$
so
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
to 0$.
Let
$p(x) = 1-x-x^2$
and
$x_0 = frac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$
so
$p(x_0) = 0$,
$p'(x) < 0$ for $x ge 0$.
Since
$f_n(x) > 0$,
$f_n(x)
to x_0$.
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
add a comment |
$sqrt{x}$
is a McGuffin.
More generally,
let
$f_1 = frac{1}{1 + g(x) }
$
where
$g'(x) > 0,
g(0) = 0
$,
$f_n(x)
=frac{1}{1+f_{n-1}(x)}
$,
and
$A_n = int_0^1 f_n(x) dx
$.
Then
$f_n(x)
to dfrac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$.
Note:
I doubt that any of this
is original,
but this was all done
just now by me.
Proof.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)
&=frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+f_{n-2}(x)}}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{1+f_{n-2}(x)+1}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
Therefore,
if $f_{n-2}(x) > 0$
then
$frac12 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
Similarly,
if $f_{n-1}(x) > 0$
then
$0 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)-f_{n-2}(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}-f_{n-2}(x)\
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}(x)(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)+f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}+(dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)})^2\
&=dfrac{(1+f_{n-2}(x))(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}+dfrac{1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{2+3f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)+1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
text{so}\
1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{4+4f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)-(3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
end{array}
$
Therefore
$1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)$
has the same sign as
$1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)$.
Also,
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
lt frac14|1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)|
$
so
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
to 0$.
Let
$p(x) = 1-x-x^2$
and
$x_0 = frac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$
so
$p(x_0) = 0$,
$p'(x) < 0$ for $x ge 0$.
Since
$f_n(x) > 0$,
$f_n(x)
to x_0$.
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
add a comment |
$sqrt{x}$
is a McGuffin.
More generally,
let
$f_1 = frac{1}{1 + g(x) }
$
where
$g'(x) > 0,
g(0) = 0
$,
$f_n(x)
=frac{1}{1+f_{n-1}(x)}
$,
and
$A_n = int_0^1 f_n(x) dx
$.
Then
$f_n(x)
to dfrac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$.
Note:
I doubt that any of this
is original,
but this was all done
just now by me.
Proof.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)
&=frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+f_{n-2}(x)}}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{1+f_{n-2}(x)+1}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
Therefore,
if $f_{n-2}(x) > 0$
then
$frac12 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
Similarly,
if $f_{n-1}(x) > 0$
then
$0 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)-f_{n-2}(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}-f_{n-2}(x)\
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}(x)(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)+f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}+(dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)})^2\
&=dfrac{(1+f_{n-2}(x))(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}+dfrac{1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{2+3f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)+1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
text{so}\
1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{4+4f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)-(3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
end{array}
$
Therefore
$1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)$
has the same sign as
$1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)$.
Also,
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
lt frac14|1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)|
$
so
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
to 0$.
Let
$p(x) = 1-x-x^2$
and
$x_0 = frac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$
so
$p(x_0) = 0$,
$p'(x) < 0$ for $x ge 0$.
Since
$f_n(x) > 0$,
$f_n(x)
to x_0$.
$sqrt{x}$
is a McGuffin.
More generally,
let
$f_1 = frac{1}{1 + g(x) }
$
where
$g'(x) > 0,
g(0) = 0
$,
$f_n(x)
=frac{1}{1+f_{n-1}(x)}
$,
and
$A_n = int_0^1 f_n(x) dx
$.
Then
$f_n(x)
to dfrac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$.
Note:
I doubt that any of this
is original,
but this was all done
just now by me.
Proof.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)
&=frac{1}{1+frac{1}{1+f_{n-2}(x)}}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{1+f_{n-2}(x)+1}\
&=frac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
Therefore,
if $f_{n-2}(x) > 0$
then
$frac12 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
Similarly,
if $f_{n-1}(x) > 0$
then
$0 < f_n(x)
lt 1$.
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)-f_{n-2}(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}-f_{n-2}(x)\
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}(x)(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}\
end{array}
$
$begin{array}\
f_n(x)+f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)}+(dfrac{1+f_{n-2}(x)}{2+f_{n-2}(x)})^2\
&=dfrac{(1+f_{n-2}(x))(2+f_{n-2}(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}+dfrac{1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{2+3f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)+1+2f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
text{so}\
1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)
&=dfrac{4+4f_{n-2}(x)+f_{n-2}^2(x)-(3+5f_{n-2}(x)+2f_{n-2}^2(x))}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
&=dfrac{1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)}{(2+f_{n-2}(x))^2}\
end{array}
$
Therefore
$1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)$
has the same sign as
$1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)$.
Also,
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
lt frac14|1-f_{n-2}(x)-f_{n-2}^2(x)|
$
so
$|1-f_n(x)-f_n^2(x)|
to 0$.
Let
$p(x) = 1-x-x^2$
and
$x_0 = frac{sqrt{5}-1}{2}
$
so
$p(x_0) = 0$,
$p'(x) < 0$ for $x ge 0$.
Since
$f_n(x) > 0$,
$f_n(x)
to x_0$.
answered Dec 27 '18 at 20:26
marty cohen
72.7k549128
72.7k549128
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
add a comment |
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
what do you mean by Mcguffin?
– Jimmy Sabater
Dec 28 '18 at 8:52
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
Any g(x) > 0 will do. MacGuffin g.co/kgs/wDd8KQ
– marty cohen
Dec 28 '18 at 14:26
add a comment |
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– Kemono Chen
Nov 19 '18 at 5:59
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– Tianlalu
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
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I think this is meant to be solved without that dominated convergence theorem as it is meant for first-year students.
– Jimmy Sabater
Nov 19 '18 at 6:17
2
@JimmySabater Although first-year students have never heard of the dominated convergence theorem, they often act as though it were obvious.
– Andreas Blass
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