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The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is



Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?










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    The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is



    Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?










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      The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is



      Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?










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      The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is



      Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?







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          Nice question! The answer is no.



          If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.



          Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.






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            Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
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            Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
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            – Zach L.
            May 30 '13 at 4:49








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            @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
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            May 30 '13 at 4:52












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            That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
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            – Zach L.
            May 30 '13 at 15:56










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            @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
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            Jun 1 '13 at 7:33



















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          The following more general statement is also true.



          There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.



          For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf



          In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.






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            Nice question! The answer is no.



            If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.



            Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.






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            • $begingroup$
              Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:25






            • 1




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              Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
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              – Zach L.
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            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:52












            • $begingroup$
              That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
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              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 15:56










            • $begingroup$
              @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
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            $begingroup$

            Nice question! The answer is no.



            If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.



            Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.






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            • $begingroup$
              Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:25






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
              $endgroup$
              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 4:49








            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:52












            • $begingroup$
              That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
              $endgroup$
              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 15:56










            • $begingroup$
              @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              Jun 1 '13 at 7:33














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            $begingroup$

            Nice question! The answer is no.



            If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.



            Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.






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            Nice question! The answer is no.



            If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.



            Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.







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            • $begingroup$
              Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:25






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
              $endgroup$
              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 4:49








            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:52












            • $begingroup$
              That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
              $endgroup$
              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 15:56










            • $begingroup$
              @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              Jun 1 '13 at 7:33


















            • $begingroup$
              Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:25






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
              $endgroup$
              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 4:49








            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              May 30 '13 at 4:52












            • $begingroup$
              That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
              $endgroup$
              – Zach L.
              May 30 '13 at 15:56










            • $begingroup$
              @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Qiaochu Yuan
              Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
















            $begingroup$
            Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
            $endgroup$
            – Qiaochu Yuan
            May 30 '13 at 4:25




            $begingroup$
            Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
            $endgroup$
            – Qiaochu Yuan
            May 30 '13 at 4:25




            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
            $endgroup$
            – Zach L.
            May 30 '13 at 4:49






            $begingroup$
            Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
            $endgroup$
            – Zach L.
            May 30 '13 at 4:49






            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
            $endgroup$
            – Qiaochu Yuan
            May 30 '13 at 4:52






            $begingroup$
            @Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
            $endgroup$
            – Qiaochu Yuan
            May 30 '13 at 4:52














            $begingroup$
            That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
            $endgroup$
            – Zach L.
            May 30 '13 at 15:56




            $begingroup$
            That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
            $endgroup$
            – Zach L.
            May 30 '13 at 15:56












            $begingroup$
            @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
            $endgroup$
            – Qiaochu Yuan
            Jun 1 '13 at 7:33




            $begingroup$
            @Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
            $endgroup$
            – Qiaochu Yuan
            Jun 1 '13 at 7:33











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            $begingroup$

            The following more general statement is also true.



            There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.



            For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf



            In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.






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              The following more general statement is also true.



              There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.



              For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf



              In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.






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                $begingroup$

                The following more general statement is also true.



                There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.



                For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf



                In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.






                share|cite|improve this answer









                $endgroup$



                The following more general statement is also true.



                There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.



                For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf



                In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.







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