Multiplicative Group of a Field
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The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is
Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?
group-theory field-theory
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The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is
Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?
group-theory field-theory
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add a comment |
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The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is
Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?
group-theory field-theory
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The multiplicative group $F^{times}=Fsetminus {0}$ of a field is abelian, and it may contain torsion elements, may contain torsion free elements, or both may occur, as can be seen from the examples of any finite field, $mathbb{Q},mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{C}$. The Prüfer $p$-group is a (proper) subgroup of $mathbb{C}^{times}$. The question I would like to ask is
Question: Is there an infinite field $F$ such that $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to the Prüfer $p$-group?
group-theory field-theory
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Nice question! The answer is no.
If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.
Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.
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Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
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– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
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Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
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– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
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@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
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– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
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That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
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– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
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@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
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– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
add a comment |
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The following more general statement is also true.
There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.
For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf
In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.
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Nice question! The answer is no.
If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.
Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.
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Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
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– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
1
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Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
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– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
1
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@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
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– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
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That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
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– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
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@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
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– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
add a comment |
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Nice question! The answer is no.
If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.
Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
1
$begingroup$
Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
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– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
1
$begingroup$
@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
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That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
$begingroup$
@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Nice question! The answer is no.
If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.
Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.
$endgroup$
Nice question! The answer is no.
If $F$ has characteristic zero it contains a copy of $mathbb{Q}$, so $F^{times}$ has torsion-free elements; hence $F$ has positive characteristic $p$. If $F^{times}$ is isomorphic to a Prüfer $ell$-group for some prime $ell$, then $F$ contains all $ell$-power roots of unity, and $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ must consist of $ell$-power roots of unity, so in particular $p neq ell$.
Let $k$ be a positive integer. Since $F$ contains all $ell^k$-th roots of unity, $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$. Then $F^{times}$ has a subgroup of order $p^n - 1$, which is necessarily a power of $ell$. By choosing $k$ large enough, this is impossible by Zsigmondy's theorem.
edited May 30 '13 at 4:36
answered May 30 '13 at 4:15
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Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
1
$begingroup$
Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
1
$begingroup$
@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
$begingroup$
That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
$begingroup$
@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
1
$begingroup$
Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
1
$begingroup$
@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
$begingroup$
That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
$begingroup$
@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
$begingroup$
Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
$begingroup$
Note that already the assumption that $F^{times}$ is torsion implies that $F$ must be an algebraic extension of a finite field, and from here it is possible to use knowledge of the absolute Galois groups of finite fields to classify all of the possibilities.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:25
1
1
$begingroup$
Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
$begingroup$
Could you explain how $mbox{F}^{times}_p$ enters in the first paragraph? I don't know much field theory, so it's probably something obvious.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 4:49
1
1
$begingroup$
@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
$begingroup$
@Zach: if $L$ is a subfield of $F$, then $L^{times}$ is a subgroup of $F^{times}$. To say that $F$ has characteristic $p$ is equivalent to saying that $F$ contains $mathbb{F}_p$ as a subfield, so in particular $F^{times}$ contains $mathbb{F}_p^{times}$ as a subgroup.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
May 30 '13 at 4:52
$begingroup$
That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
$begingroup$
That wasn't my issue, so my first comment was poorly worded. What I wasn't putting together was that if $p=l$, then $x^l-1$ has only one solution. Now I'm wondering why all $mbox{F}_{p^n}$ must lie in $F$ if $l^k | p^n - 1$. I assume it's for a similar reason.
$endgroup$
– Zach L.
May 30 '13 at 15:56
$begingroup$
@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
$begingroup$
@Zach: this follows from standard facts about finite fields. If $alpha$ is algebraic over $mathbb{F}_p$, then the subfield of the algebraic closure generated by $alpha$ is $mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ where $n$ is the order of $alpha$ under the action of the Frobenius map. For a primitive $ell^k$-th root of unity, it follows that $n$ is the smallest positive integer such that $ell^k | p^n - 1$.
$endgroup$
– Qiaochu Yuan
Jun 1 '13 at 7:33
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The following more general statement is also true.
There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.
For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf
In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The following more general statement is also true.
There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.
For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf
In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The following more general statement is also true.
There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.
For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf
In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.
$endgroup$
The following more general statement is also true.
There is no commutative ring $R$ whose unit group $R^*$ is the Prüfer $p$-group.
For a proof, see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.03508.pdf
In this paper, Keir Lockride and I gave a complete classification of all indecomposable abelian groups which occur as the group of units of a commutative ring. Note that a Prüfer $p$-group is indecomposable and it does not appear in our list.
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