Why not make the touchdown zone of runways wider than the rest?












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  • Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower

  • Larger margin of error left and right

  • Easier to turn around, if necessary


And if the reason that it isn't done is merely for regulation/legal reasons: Is this something that would be practical if it were allowed?










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    It sounds like the underlying assumption is that it is easier to stay centered after touchdown. I think that might not be true, crosswind and e.g. uneven braking power can be problematic even after the wheels are already on the ground.
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    Jan 14 at 10:26






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    Consider the same question phrased a different way could we make some parts of the runway narrower than the rest?, and you'll probably come up with quite a few counter-arguments.
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    How would it give you a larger margin of error? It's no use having a wide touchdown zone if you're then going to go off the runway as it narrows.
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    – Dan Hulme
    Jan 14 at 17:22






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    @dtgq What problem are you trying to solve? Planes running off runways is pretty rare.
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    "if you touch down off the side of the runway" then you've screwed up badly and should have gone around.
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Reasons:




  • Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower

  • Larger margin of error left and right

  • Easier to turn around, if necessary


And if the reason that it isn't done is merely for regulation/legal reasons: Is this something that would be practical if it were allowed?










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    It sounds like the underlying assumption is that it is easier to stay centered after touchdown. I think that might not be true, crosswind and e.g. uneven braking power can be problematic even after the wheels are already on the ground.
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    – jpa
    Jan 14 at 10:26






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    Consider the same question phrased a different way could we make some parts of the runway narrower than the rest?, and you'll probably come up with quite a few counter-arguments.
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    – Toby Speight
    Jan 14 at 13:19






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    How would it give you a larger margin of error? It's no use having a wide touchdown zone if you're then going to go off the runway as it narrows.
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    – Dan Hulme
    Jan 14 at 17:22






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    @dtgq What problem are you trying to solve? Planes running off runways is pretty rare.
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    – zeta-band
    Jan 15 at 0:15






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    "if you touch down off the side of the runway" then you've screwed up badly and should have gone around.
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    – Roger Lipscombe
    Jan 15 at 11:49














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Reasons:




  • Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower

  • Larger margin of error left and right

  • Easier to turn around, if necessary


And if the reason that it isn't done is merely for regulation/legal reasons: Is this something that would be practical if it were allowed?










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Reasons:




  • Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower

  • Larger margin of error left and right

  • Easier to turn around, if necessary


And if the reason that it isn't done is merely for regulation/legal reasons: Is this something that would be practical if it were allowed?







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    It sounds like the underlying assumption is that it is easier to stay centered after touchdown. I think that might not be true, crosswind and e.g. uneven braking power can be problematic even after the wheels are already on the ground.
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    – jpa
    Jan 14 at 10:26






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    $begingroup$
    Consider the same question phrased a different way could we make some parts of the runway narrower than the rest?, and you'll probably come up with quite a few counter-arguments.
    $endgroup$
    – Toby Speight
    Jan 14 at 13:19






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    How would it give you a larger margin of error? It's no use having a wide touchdown zone if you're then going to go off the runway as it narrows.
    $endgroup$
    – Dan Hulme
    Jan 14 at 17:22






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    @dtgq What problem are you trying to solve? Planes running off runways is pretty rare.
    $endgroup$
    – zeta-band
    Jan 15 at 0:15






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    "if you touch down off the side of the runway" then you've screwed up badly and should have gone around.
    $endgroup$
    – Roger Lipscombe
    Jan 15 at 11:49














  • 18




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    It sounds like the underlying assumption is that it is easier to stay centered after touchdown. I think that might not be true, crosswind and e.g. uneven braking power can be problematic even after the wheels are already on the ground.
    $endgroup$
    – jpa
    Jan 14 at 10:26






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    $begingroup$
    Consider the same question phrased a different way could we make some parts of the runway narrower than the rest?, and you'll probably come up with quite a few counter-arguments.
    $endgroup$
    – Toby Speight
    Jan 14 at 13:19






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    How would it give you a larger margin of error? It's no use having a wide touchdown zone if you're then going to go off the runway as it narrows.
    $endgroup$
    – Dan Hulme
    Jan 14 at 17:22






  • 2




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    @dtgq What problem are you trying to solve? Planes running off runways is pretty rare.
    $endgroup$
    – zeta-band
    Jan 15 at 0:15






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    "if you touch down off the side of the runway" then you've screwed up badly and should have gone around.
    $endgroup$
    – Roger Lipscombe
    Jan 15 at 11:49








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It sounds like the underlying assumption is that it is easier to stay centered after touchdown. I think that might not be true, crosswind and e.g. uneven braking power can be problematic even after the wheels are already on the ground.
$endgroup$
– jpa
Jan 14 at 10:26




$begingroup$
It sounds like the underlying assumption is that it is easier to stay centered after touchdown. I think that might not be true, crosswind and e.g. uneven braking power can be problematic even after the wheels are already on the ground.
$endgroup$
– jpa
Jan 14 at 10:26




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Consider the same question phrased a different way could we make some parts of the runway narrower than the rest?, and you'll probably come up with quite a few counter-arguments.
$endgroup$
– Toby Speight
Jan 14 at 13:19




$begingroup$
Consider the same question phrased a different way could we make some parts of the runway narrower than the rest?, and you'll probably come up with quite a few counter-arguments.
$endgroup$
– Toby Speight
Jan 14 at 13:19




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How would it give you a larger margin of error? It's no use having a wide touchdown zone if you're then going to go off the runway as it narrows.
$endgroup$
– Dan Hulme
Jan 14 at 17:22




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How would it give you a larger margin of error? It's no use having a wide touchdown zone if you're then going to go off the runway as it narrows.
$endgroup$
– Dan Hulme
Jan 14 at 17:22




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@dtgq What problem are you trying to solve? Planes running off runways is pretty rare.
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– zeta-band
Jan 15 at 0:15




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@dtgq What problem are you trying to solve? Planes running off runways is pretty rare.
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– zeta-band
Jan 15 at 0:15




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"if you touch down off the side of the runway" then you've screwed up badly and should have gone around.
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– Roger Lipscombe
Jan 15 at 11:49




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"if you touch down off the side of the runway" then you've screwed up badly and should have gone around.
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Because most runways already are as narrow as safely feasible.



Let us look at your question piece by piece:




Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower




You seem to be assuming we are currently deliberately wasting asphalt on making runways wider than needed, and could build them narrower. As they say on Wikipedia: [citation needed].




Larger margin of error left and right




The touchdown zone is the whole runway, as long as the aircraft in question can stop afterwards, so if you start down this alley you'll find it cheaper to complete the runway in the same width.




Easier to turn around, if necessary




This is already done by including turn pads, on top of the nominal width. For an example, see: OGZ






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    Because planes that landed towards the edge of the touch-down zone would run off the side of the runway when it narrowed.






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      That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
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      @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
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      @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
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    At least a few runways are divided by length. For example, once at Boeing Field (BFI) four general aviation light aircraft were cleared to land approximately at once on two runways. My VFR landing clearance was to land in the first half of runway 14R while another aircraft above and slightly ahead of me had to stay at 500 AGL(? I forget the exact number) until the threshold and then land on the second half. The left runway had something similar occurring at about the same time.



    Having irregular width runways doesn't help this much. Also it is difficult to imagine that the non-ends would be graded any differently. In the overall project of constructing a runway, it is highly likely that the land preparation, utilities, and grading are like 80% of the cost of the surface. A forum exchange breakdown of a Canadian 7000 x 100 foot runway is:



    $   250,000   geotechnical analysis
    $
    4,000,000 gravel (60 cm of 7.5 cm minus, 25 cm 1 cm minus)
    $ 2,500,000 labor and equipment rental
    $
    100,000 quality testing (compaction, etc.)
    $ 2,000,000 asphalt (15 cm)
    $
    200,000 lighting
    $ 10,000 painted markings
    ----------
    $
    9,060,000 total


    Would making the shape narrower increase any of those costs? Probably. Certainly less materials should decrease the overall cost, and maybe labor could be economized.



    For strong crosswind landings, I usually use all of whatever width there is!






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      Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
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      @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
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      – Oscar Bravo
      Jan 15 at 14:12






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      Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
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    Because most runways already are as narrow as safely feasible.



    Let us look at your question piece by piece:




    Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower




    You seem to be assuming we are currently deliberately wasting asphalt on making runways wider than needed, and could build them narrower. As they say on Wikipedia: [citation needed].




    Larger margin of error left and right




    The touchdown zone is the whole runway, as long as the aircraft in question can stop afterwards, so if you start down this alley you'll find it cheaper to complete the runway in the same width.




    Easier to turn around, if necessary




    This is already done by including turn pads, on top of the nominal width. For an example, see: OGZ






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      Because most runways already are as narrow as safely feasible.



      Let us look at your question piece by piece:




      Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower




      You seem to be assuming we are currently deliberately wasting asphalt on making runways wider than needed, and could build them narrower. As they say on Wikipedia: [citation needed].




      Larger margin of error left and right




      The touchdown zone is the whole runway, as long as the aircraft in question can stop afterwards, so if you start down this alley you'll find it cheaper to complete the runway in the same width.




      Easier to turn around, if necessary




      This is already done by including turn pads, on top of the nominal width. For an example, see: OGZ






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        Because most runways already are as narrow as safely feasible.



        Let us look at your question piece by piece:




        Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower




        You seem to be assuming we are currently deliberately wasting asphalt on making runways wider than needed, and could build them narrower. As they say on Wikipedia: [citation needed].




        Larger margin of error left and right




        The touchdown zone is the whole runway, as long as the aircraft in question can stop afterwards, so if you start down this alley you'll find it cheaper to complete the runway in the same width.




        Easier to turn around, if necessary




        This is already done by including turn pads, on top of the nominal width. For an example, see: OGZ






        share|improve this answer











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        Because most runways already are as narrow as safely feasible.



        Let us look at your question piece by piece:




        Save money by making the rest of the runway narrower




        You seem to be assuming we are currently deliberately wasting asphalt on making runways wider than needed, and could build them narrower. As they say on Wikipedia: [citation needed].




        Larger margin of error left and right




        The touchdown zone is the whole runway, as long as the aircraft in question can stop afterwards, so if you start down this alley you'll find it cheaper to complete the runway in the same width.




        Easier to turn around, if necessary




        This is already done by including turn pads, on top of the nominal width. For an example, see: OGZ







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            Because planes that landed towards the edge of the touch-down zone would run off the side of the runway when it narrowed.






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              That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
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              – Sean
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              @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
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              – jwenting
              Jan 15 at 6:28






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              @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
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            Because planes that landed towards the edge of the touch-down zone would run off the side of the runway when it narrowed.






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              That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
              $endgroup$
              – Sean
              Jan 15 at 4:04










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              @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
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              – jwenting
              Jan 15 at 6:28






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              @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
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            Because planes that landed towards the edge of the touch-down zone would run off the side of the runway when it narrowed.






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            Because planes that landed towards the edge of the touch-down zone would run off the side of the runway when it narrowed.







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              That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
              $endgroup$
              – Sean
              Jan 15 at 4:04










            • $begingroup$
              @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
              $endgroup$
              – jwenting
              Jan 15 at 6:28






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              $begingroup$
              @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
              $endgroup$
              – Dan Hulme
              Jan 15 at 9:44














            • 1




              $begingroup$
              That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
              $endgroup$
              – Sean
              Jan 15 at 4:04










            • $begingroup$
              @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
              $endgroup$
              – jwenting
              Jan 15 at 6:28






            • 14




              $begingroup$
              @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
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              – Dan Hulme
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            That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
            $endgroup$
            – Sean
            Jan 15 at 4:04




            $begingroup$
            That's (one of the reasons) why we have rudders and tillers - so that planes touching down off-center can be steered back to the centerline.
            $endgroup$
            – Sean
            Jan 15 at 4:04












            $begingroup$
            @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
            $endgroup$
            – jwenting
            Jan 15 at 6:28




            $begingroup$
            @Sean and those aren't too effective until speed drops significantly for ground handling.
            $endgroup$
            – jwenting
            Jan 15 at 6:28




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            @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
            $endgroup$
            – Dan Hulme
            Jan 15 at 9:44




            $begingroup$
            @Sean To provide enough time to slow so you can steer back safely, you'd probably need half the runway to be full-width and the second half could be tapered off. But that second half is the first half of the opposite-direction runway, so it has to be full-width too.
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            – Dan Hulme
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            At least a few runways are divided by length. For example, once at Boeing Field (BFI) four general aviation light aircraft were cleared to land approximately at once on two runways. My VFR landing clearance was to land in the first half of runway 14R while another aircraft above and slightly ahead of me had to stay at 500 AGL(? I forget the exact number) until the threshold and then land on the second half. The left runway had something similar occurring at about the same time.



            Having irregular width runways doesn't help this much. Also it is difficult to imagine that the non-ends would be graded any differently. In the overall project of constructing a runway, it is highly likely that the land preparation, utilities, and grading are like 80% of the cost of the surface. A forum exchange breakdown of a Canadian 7000 x 100 foot runway is:



            $   250,000   geotechnical analysis
            $
            4,000,000 gravel (60 cm of 7.5 cm minus, 25 cm 1 cm minus)
            $ 2,500,000 labor and equipment rental
            $
            100,000 quality testing (compaction, etc.)
            $ 2,000,000 asphalt (15 cm)
            $
            200,000 lighting
            $ 10,000 painted markings
            ----------
            $
            9,060,000 total


            Would making the shape narrower increase any of those costs? Probably. Certainly less materials should decrease the overall cost, and maybe labor could be economized.



            For strong crosswind landings, I usually use all of whatever width there is!






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              Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
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              – uɐɪ
              Jan 15 at 11:33






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              @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
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              – Oscar Bravo
              Jan 15 at 14:12






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              Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
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            At least a few runways are divided by length. For example, once at Boeing Field (BFI) four general aviation light aircraft were cleared to land approximately at once on two runways. My VFR landing clearance was to land in the first half of runway 14R while another aircraft above and slightly ahead of me had to stay at 500 AGL(? I forget the exact number) until the threshold and then land on the second half. The left runway had something similar occurring at about the same time.



            Having irregular width runways doesn't help this much. Also it is difficult to imagine that the non-ends would be graded any differently. In the overall project of constructing a runway, it is highly likely that the land preparation, utilities, and grading are like 80% of the cost of the surface. A forum exchange breakdown of a Canadian 7000 x 100 foot runway is:



            $   250,000   geotechnical analysis
            $
            4,000,000 gravel (60 cm of 7.5 cm minus, 25 cm 1 cm minus)
            $ 2,500,000 labor and equipment rental
            $
            100,000 quality testing (compaction, etc.)
            $ 2,000,000 asphalt (15 cm)
            $
            200,000 lighting
            $ 10,000 painted markings
            ----------
            $
            9,060,000 total


            Would making the shape narrower increase any of those costs? Probably. Certainly less materials should decrease the overall cost, and maybe labor could be economized.



            For strong crosswind landings, I usually use all of whatever width there is!






            share|improve this answer









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              Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
              $endgroup$
              – uɐɪ
              Jan 15 at 11:33






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
              $endgroup$
              – Oscar Bravo
              Jan 15 at 14:12






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              Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
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              – yshavit
              Jan 15 at 16:06














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            At least a few runways are divided by length. For example, once at Boeing Field (BFI) four general aviation light aircraft were cleared to land approximately at once on two runways. My VFR landing clearance was to land in the first half of runway 14R while another aircraft above and slightly ahead of me had to stay at 500 AGL(? I forget the exact number) until the threshold and then land on the second half. The left runway had something similar occurring at about the same time.



            Having irregular width runways doesn't help this much. Also it is difficult to imagine that the non-ends would be graded any differently. In the overall project of constructing a runway, it is highly likely that the land preparation, utilities, and grading are like 80% of the cost of the surface. A forum exchange breakdown of a Canadian 7000 x 100 foot runway is:



            $   250,000   geotechnical analysis
            $
            4,000,000 gravel (60 cm of 7.5 cm minus, 25 cm 1 cm minus)
            $ 2,500,000 labor and equipment rental
            $
            100,000 quality testing (compaction, etc.)
            $ 2,000,000 asphalt (15 cm)
            $
            200,000 lighting
            $ 10,000 painted markings
            ----------
            $
            9,060,000 total


            Would making the shape narrower increase any of those costs? Probably. Certainly less materials should decrease the overall cost, and maybe labor could be economized.



            For strong crosswind landings, I usually use all of whatever width there is!






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            At least a few runways are divided by length. For example, once at Boeing Field (BFI) four general aviation light aircraft were cleared to land approximately at once on two runways. My VFR landing clearance was to land in the first half of runway 14R while another aircraft above and slightly ahead of me had to stay at 500 AGL(? I forget the exact number) until the threshold and then land on the second half. The left runway had something similar occurring at about the same time.



            Having irregular width runways doesn't help this much. Also it is difficult to imagine that the non-ends would be graded any differently. In the overall project of constructing a runway, it is highly likely that the land preparation, utilities, and grading are like 80% of the cost of the surface. A forum exchange breakdown of a Canadian 7000 x 100 foot runway is:



            $   250,000   geotechnical analysis
            $
            4,000,000 gravel (60 cm of 7.5 cm minus, 25 cm 1 cm minus)
            $ 2,500,000 labor and equipment rental
            $
            100,000 quality testing (compaction, etc.)
            $ 2,000,000 asphalt (15 cm)
            $
            200,000 lighting
            $ 10,000 painted markings
            ----------
            $
            9,060,000 total


            Would making the shape narrower increase any of those costs? Probably. Certainly less materials should decrease the overall cost, and maybe labor could be economized.



            For strong crosswind landings, I usually use all of whatever width there is!







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            answered Jan 15 at 0:25









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              $begingroup$
              Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
              $endgroup$
              – uɐɪ
              Jan 15 at 11:33






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
              $endgroup$
              – Oscar Bravo
              Jan 15 at 14:12






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              $begingroup$
              Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
              $endgroup$
              – yshavit
              Jan 15 at 16:06














            • 2




              $begingroup$
              Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
              $endgroup$
              – uɐɪ
              Jan 15 at 11:33






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
              $endgroup$
              – Oscar Bravo
              Jan 15 at 14:12






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
              $endgroup$
              – yshavit
              Jan 15 at 16:06








            2




            2




            $begingroup$
            Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
            $endgroup$
            – uɐɪ
            Jan 15 at 11:33




            $begingroup$
            Interesting mixture of units. Runway area in feet and depth in centimetres :-)
            $endgroup$
            – uɐɪ
            Jan 15 at 11:33




            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
            $endgroup$
            – Oscar Bravo
            Jan 15 at 14:12




            $begingroup$
            @uɐɪ So volume is in square feet centimetres!
            $endgroup$
            – Oscar Bravo
            Jan 15 at 14:12




            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
            $endgroup$
            – yshavit
            Jan 15 at 16:06




            $begingroup$
            Similar thing happens at Oshkosh every year, right?
            $endgroup$
            – yshavit
            Jan 15 at 16:06


















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