If fairies don't need as much food, water or space, why wouldn't they overwhelm humans in the...
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I'm writing a story about the aftermath and consequences of a runic magic system being mysteriously introduced to the human race by an unknown entity. Every week a new rune is given to everyone on Earth over the age of 13, and everyone can keep any six of their choosing before having to give one up to make room for the next week's rune. Each rune represents a supernatural power the bearer is capable of using.
Initially society manages to adapt and cope with this radical change in the status quo, but by the end of year one, various factors, both from the rune system and from malicious third parties, combine to cause total societal collapse, resulting in a very long period of time where civilization is struggling to re-assert itself, and the superpowered survivors of the initial collapse and dieoff fight to survive in the ruins of the modern world.
This brings results in a certain issue I need to address. You see, during that first year when things seem like they're going to be okay, several one-week-only runes grant humanity the opportunity to take part in transhumanism. Occasionally a new fantasy race is introduced to the world, and everyone on earth will be given a totally genetically randomized body as a member of that fantasy race that they can switch between freely for that first week, and keep forever (in exchange for giving up their old body permanently) if they so choose by staying in that body when the rune disappears.
One of these races is a fairy-like creature called a lightwing. They're one foot tall, can fly, and while they're significantly weaker and more fragile than humans, it's not nearly to the degree that their size would suggest. You see, I want lightwings to be strong and tough enough that while they are weaker and more fragile than humans, their strengths and weaknesses with the other races balance out, and a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
But here's the issue I'm having: If an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature, then when the apocalypse hits and resources become scarce, the fact that lightwings are tiny (and thus require way less food, water and space to survive) would give them an insane advantage over the other survivors during the initial decades after society collapses. People would be fighting over scarce resources that would go a lot further for lightwings than for anyone else. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't utterly dominate the post-apocalyptic environment.
The supplies that would keep a small band of five human survivors alive would be enough to feed a veritable swarm of lightwings that those five survivors couldn't possibly hope to compete against. And then when people start re-establishing communities and growing crops, the lightwing population would explode (relatively speaking) from the small minority they were before the apocalypse to much larger populations than any post-apocalyptic human community would be able to feed. When it reached the point of open warfare between these communities, the lightwings communities would rip the competition to shreds through sheer force of numbers.
Now, I obviously don't want this, but I still don't want to make individual lightwings inferior to individual humans to balance out their superior numbers, because that would somewhat dehumanize them and make them way less interesting as individual characters, especially since I want the story to revolve around smaller groups rather than large-scale warfare, at least at first. My initial planned solution to this was to make lightwings require just as much food as any other humanoid despite their tiny size, but the problem with this is that the concept of a tiny humanoid consuming, digesting, and excreting several times its own body weight in food per day sounds like it's going to need some very careful magical handwaving to not seem utterly bizarre (and gross). I'm prepared to try and handle that if I have to, but it occurred to me that I might not have to. There might be some other option I have to make the lightwing "zerg rush" strategy less viable.
What else, besides not having enough supplies to feed them, would keep my small fairy creatures from assembling in larger numbers than humans with the same resources and attacking in swarms?
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I'm writing a story about the aftermath and consequences of a runic magic system being mysteriously introduced to the human race by an unknown entity. Every week a new rune is given to everyone on Earth over the age of 13, and everyone can keep any six of their choosing before having to give one up to make room for the next week's rune. Each rune represents a supernatural power the bearer is capable of using.
Initially society manages to adapt and cope with this radical change in the status quo, but by the end of year one, various factors, both from the rune system and from malicious third parties, combine to cause total societal collapse, resulting in a very long period of time where civilization is struggling to re-assert itself, and the superpowered survivors of the initial collapse and dieoff fight to survive in the ruins of the modern world.
This brings results in a certain issue I need to address. You see, during that first year when things seem like they're going to be okay, several one-week-only runes grant humanity the opportunity to take part in transhumanism. Occasionally a new fantasy race is introduced to the world, and everyone on earth will be given a totally genetically randomized body as a member of that fantasy race that they can switch between freely for that first week, and keep forever (in exchange for giving up their old body permanently) if they so choose by staying in that body when the rune disappears.
One of these races is a fairy-like creature called a lightwing. They're one foot tall, can fly, and while they're significantly weaker and more fragile than humans, it's not nearly to the degree that their size would suggest. You see, I want lightwings to be strong and tough enough that while they are weaker and more fragile than humans, their strengths and weaknesses with the other races balance out, and a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
But here's the issue I'm having: If an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature, then when the apocalypse hits and resources become scarce, the fact that lightwings are tiny (and thus require way less food, water and space to survive) would give them an insane advantage over the other survivors during the initial decades after society collapses. People would be fighting over scarce resources that would go a lot further for lightwings than for anyone else. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't utterly dominate the post-apocalyptic environment.
The supplies that would keep a small band of five human survivors alive would be enough to feed a veritable swarm of lightwings that those five survivors couldn't possibly hope to compete against. And then when people start re-establishing communities and growing crops, the lightwing population would explode (relatively speaking) from the small minority they were before the apocalypse to much larger populations than any post-apocalyptic human community would be able to feed. When it reached the point of open warfare between these communities, the lightwings communities would rip the competition to shreds through sheer force of numbers.
Now, I obviously don't want this, but I still don't want to make individual lightwings inferior to individual humans to balance out their superior numbers, because that would somewhat dehumanize them and make them way less interesting as individual characters, especially since I want the story to revolve around smaller groups rather than large-scale warfare, at least at first. My initial planned solution to this was to make lightwings require just as much food as any other humanoid despite their tiny size, but the problem with this is that the concept of a tiny humanoid consuming, digesting, and excreting several times its own body weight in food per day sounds like it's going to need some very careful magical handwaving to not seem utterly bizarre (and gross). I'm prepared to try and handle that if I have to, but it occurred to me that I might not have to. There might be some other option I have to make the lightwing "zerg rush" strategy less viable.
What else, besides not having enough supplies to feed them, would keep my small fairy creatures from assembling in larger numbers than humans with the same resources and attacking in swarms?
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closed as primarily opinion-based by Mołot, Frostfyre, elemtilas, Mathaddict, Gryphon Jan 22 at 16:52
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Are you writing a story or designing a video game? lol
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– jpmc26
Jan 22 at 0:23
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@jpmc26 Video games aren't the only media where you have to care about balance. If the story elements you're working with make no sense, then the reader has no solid grasp of stakes and you can't write an interesting fight scene. I can't declare something and then just willfully ignore the obvious methods of abusing that fact, especially not when my main character's a strategist who survives almost entirely due to coming up with clever ideas based in the logic of my world.
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– Jason Clyde
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I wouldn't recommend having your races all be equal in a fair fight. The aim should be that every race has a niche fighting style which makes it stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, rather than the end result of a so called "fair" fight be equal no matter what. For example, Orcs can be strong but stupid and fairies can be smart but weak. That way an orc can win a physical fight but a fairy can win a magical one.
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– Shadowzee
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– Sebastian Lenartowicz
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This question has been flagged for closure for being primarily opinion-based. Looking at the number of answers as of this comment (24), I tend to agree. Examining the question again, I see no criteria by which to identify which answer best solves your problem. Voting to close.
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I'm writing a story about the aftermath and consequences of a runic magic system being mysteriously introduced to the human race by an unknown entity. Every week a new rune is given to everyone on Earth over the age of 13, and everyone can keep any six of their choosing before having to give one up to make room for the next week's rune. Each rune represents a supernatural power the bearer is capable of using.
Initially society manages to adapt and cope with this radical change in the status quo, but by the end of year one, various factors, both from the rune system and from malicious third parties, combine to cause total societal collapse, resulting in a very long period of time where civilization is struggling to re-assert itself, and the superpowered survivors of the initial collapse and dieoff fight to survive in the ruins of the modern world.
This brings results in a certain issue I need to address. You see, during that first year when things seem like they're going to be okay, several one-week-only runes grant humanity the opportunity to take part in transhumanism. Occasionally a new fantasy race is introduced to the world, and everyone on earth will be given a totally genetically randomized body as a member of that fantasy race that they can switch between freely for that first week, and keep forever (in exchange for giving up their old body permanently) if they so choose by staying in that body when the rune disappears.
One of these races is a fairy-like creature called a lightwing. They're one foot tall, can fly, and while they're significantly weaker and more fragile than humans, it's not nearly to the degree that their size would suggest. You see, I want lightwings to be strong and tough enough that while they are weaker and more fragile than humans, their strengths and weaknesses with the other races balance out, and a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
But here's the issue I'm having: If an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature, then when the apocalypse hits and resources become scarce, the fact that lightwings are tiny (and thus require way less food, water and space to survive) would give them an insane advantage over the other survivors during the initial decades after society collapses. People would be fighting over scarce resources that would go a lot further for lightwings than for anyone else. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't utterly dominate the post-apocalyptic environment.
The supplies that would keep a small band of five human survivors alive would be enough to feed a veritable swarm of lightwings that those five survivors couldn't possibly hope to compete against. And then when people start re-establishing communities and growing crops, the lightwing population would explode (relatively speaking) from the small minority they were before the apocalypse to much larger populations than any post-apocalyptic human community would be able to feed. When it reached the point of open warfare between these communities, the lightwings communities would rip the competition to shreds through sheer force of numbers.
Now, I obviously don't want this, but I still don't want to make individual lightwings inferior to individual humans to balance out their superior numbers, because that would somewhat dehumanize them and make them way less interesting as individual characters, especially since I want the story to revolve around smaller groups rather than large-scale warfare, at least at first. My initial planned solution to this was to make lightwings require just as much food as any other humanoid despite their tiny size, but the problem with this is that the concept of a tiny humanoid consuming, digesting, and excreting several times its own body weight in food per day sounds like it's going to need some very careful magical handwaving to not seem utterly bizarre (and gross). I'm prepared to try and handle that if I have to, but it occurred to me that I might not have to. There might be some other option I have to make the lightwing "zerg rush" strategy less viable.
What else, besides not having enough supplies to feed them, would keep my small fairy creatures from assembling in larger numbers than humans with the same resources and attacking in swarms?
society post-apocalypse fantasy-races urban-fantasy
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I'm writing a story about the aftermath and consequences of a runic magic system being mysteriously introduced to the human race by an unknown entity. Every week a new rune is given to everyone on Earth over the age of 13, and everyone can keep any six of their choosing before having to give one up to make room for the next week's rune. Each rune represents a supernatural power the bearer is capable of using.
Initially society manages to adapt and cope with this radical change in the status quo, but by the end of year one, various factors, both from the rune system and from malicious third parties, combine to cause total societal collapse, resulting in a very long period of time where civilization is struggling to re-assert itself, and the superpowered survivors of the initial collapse and dieoff fight to survive in the ruins of the modern world.
This brings results in a certain issue I need to address. You see, during that first year when things seem like they're going to be okay, several one-week-only runes grant humanity the opportunity to take part in transhumanism. Occasionally a new fantasy race is introduced to the world, and everyone on earth will be given a totally genetically randomized body as a member of that fantasy race that they can switch between freely for that first week, and keep forever (in exchange for giving up their old body permanently) if they so choose by staying in that body when the rune disappears.
One of these races is a fairy-like creature called a lightwing. They're one foot tall, can fly, and while they're significantly weaker and more fragile than humans, it's not nearly to the degree that their size would suggest. You see, I want lightwings to be strong and tough enough that while they are weaker and more fragile than humans, their strengths and weaknesses with the other races balance out, and a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
But here's the issue I'm having: If an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature, then when the apocalypse hits and resources become scarce, the fact that lightwings are tiny (and thus require way less food, water and space to survive) would give them an insane advantage over the other survivors during the initial decades after society collapses. People would be fighting over scarce resources that would go a lot further for lightwings than for anyone else. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't utterly dominate the post-apocalyptic environment.
The supplies that would keep a small band of five human survivors alive would be enough to feed a veritable swarm of lightwings that those five survivors couldn't possibly hope to compete against. And then when people start re-establishing communities and growing crops, the lightwing population would explode (relatively speaking) from the small minority they were before the apocalypse to much larger populations than any post-apocalyptic human community would be able to feed. When it reached the point of open warfare between these communities, the lightwings communities would rip the competition to shreds through sheer force of numbers.
Now, I obviously don't want this, but I still don't want to make individual lightwings inferior to individual humans to balance out their superior numbers, because that would somewhat dehumanize them and make them way less interesting as individual characters, especially since I want the story to revolve around smaller groups rather than large-scale warfare, at least at first. My initial planned solution to this was to make lightwings require just as much food as any other humanoid despite their tiny size, but the problem with this is that the concept of a tiny humanoid consuming, digesting, and excreting several times its own body weight in food per day sounds like it's going to need some very careful magical handwaving to not seem utterly bizarre (and gross). I'm prepared to try and handle that if I have to, but it occurred to me that I might not have to. There might be some other option I have to make the lightwing "zerg rush" strategy less viable.
What else, besides not having enough supplies to feed them, would keep my small fairy creatures from assembling in larger numbers than humans with the same resources and attacking in swarms?
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closed as primarily opinion-based by Mołot, Frostfyre, elemtilas, Mathaddict, Gryphon Jan 22 at 16:52
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closed as primarily opinion-based by Mołot, Frostfyre, elemtilas, Mathaddict, Gryphon Jan 22 at 16:52
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Are you writing a story or designing a video game? lol
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– jpmc26
Jan 22 at 0:23
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@jpmc26 Video games aren't the only media where you have to care about balance. If the story elements you're working with make no sense, then the reader has no solid grasp of stakes and you can't write an interesting fight scene. I can't declare something and then just willfully ignore the obvious methods of abusing that fact, especially not when my main character's a strategist who survives almost entirely due to coming up with clever ideas based in the logic of my world.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 22 at 1:28
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I wouldn't recommend having your races all be equal in a fair fight. The aim should be that every race has a niche fighting style which makes it stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, rather than the end result of a so called "fair" fight be equal no matter what. For example, Orcs can be strong but stupid and fairies can be smart but weak. That way an orc can win a physical fight but a fairy can win a magical one.
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– Shadowzee
Jan 22 at 5:16
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Semi-relevant XKCD
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– Sebastian Lenartowicz
Jan 22 at 9:41
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This question has been flagged for closure for being primarily opinion-based. Looking at the number of answers as of this comment (24), I tend to agree. Examining the question again, I see no criteria by which to identify which answer best solves your problem. Voting to close.
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– Frostfyre
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Are you writing a story or designing a video game? lol
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– jpmc26
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@jpmc26 Video games aren't the only media where you have to care about balance. If the story elements you're working with make no sense, then the reader has no solid grasp of stakes and you can't write an interesting fight scene. I can't declare something and then just willfully ignore the obvious methods of abusing that fact, especially not when my main character's a strategist who survives almost entirely due to coming up with clever ideas based in the logic of my world.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 22 at 1:28
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I wouldn't recommend having your races all be equal in a fair fight. The aim should be that every race has a niche fighting style which makes it stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, rather than the end result of a so called "fair" fight be equal no matter what. For example, Orcs can be strong but stupid and fairies can be smart but weak. That way an orc can win a physical fight but a fairy can win a magical one.
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– Shadowzee
Jan 22 at 5:16
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Semi-relevant XKCD
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– Sebastian Lenartowicz
Jan 22 at 9:41
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This question has been flagged for closure for being primarily opinion-based. Looking at the number of answers as of this comment (24), I tend to agree. Examining the question again, I see no criteria by which to identify which answer best solves your problem. Voting to close.
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– Frostfyre
Jan 22 at 16:09
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Are you writing a story or designing a video game? lol
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– jpmc26
Jan 22 at 0:23
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Are you writing a story or designing a video game? lol
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– jpmc26
Jan 22 at 0:23
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@jpmc26 Video games aren't the only media where you have to care about balance. If the story elements you're working with make no sense, then the reader has no solid grasp of stakes and you can't write an interesting fight scene. I can't declare something and then just willfully ignore the obvious methods of abusing that fact, especially not when my main character's a strategist who survives almost entirely due to coming up with clever ideas based in the logic of my world.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 22 at 1:28
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@jpmc26 Video games aren't the only media where you have to care about balance. If the story elements you're working with make no sense, then the reader has no solid grasp of stakes and you can't write an interesting fight scene. I can't declare something and then just willfully ignore the obvious methods of abusing that fact, especially not when my main character's a strategist who survives almost entirely due to coming up with clever ideas based in the logic of my world.
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– Jason Clyde
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I wouldn't recommend having your races all be equal in a fair fight. The aim should be that every race has a niche fighting style which makes it stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, rather than the end result of a so called "fair" fight be equal no matter what. For example, Orcs can be strong but stupid and fairies can be smart but weak. That way an orc can win a physical fight but a fairy can win a magical one.
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– Shadowzee
Jan 22 at 5:16
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I wouldn't recommend having your races all be equal in a fair fight. The aim should be that every race has a niche fighting style which makes it stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, rather than the end result of a so called "fair" fight be equal no matter what. For example, Orcs can be strong but stupid and fairies can be smart but weak. That way an orc can win a physical fight but a fairy can win a magical one.
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– Shadowzee
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– Sebastian Lenartowicz
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– Sebastian Lenartowicz
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This question has been flagged for closure for being primarily opinion-based. Looking at the number of answers as of this comment (24), I tend to agree. Examining the question again, I see no criteria by which to identify which answer best solves your problem. Voting to close.
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– Frostfyre
Jan 22 at 16:09
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This question has been flagged for closure for being primarily opinion-based. Looking at the number of answers as of this comment (24), I tend to agree. Examining the question again, I see no criteria by which to identify which answer best solves your problem. Voting to close.
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They reproduce like cicadas.
Some small creatures take their time about reproducing. Some cicadas take 17 years to reach sexual maturity. That's more time than larger creatures such as dogs and cats.
Your fairies may reach sexual maturity only after they are 40 or 50 years old.
And then, like cicadas and so many other insects, they mate, lay eggs and die, all within just a few days.
That would make the loss of fairy life more dangerous to them as a species than the loss of a human life is to us. They will want to play cool with other races.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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– Gnudiff
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Flying creatures have a much higher metabolism for their size, especially non-gliding kinds like fairies. If you assume they have a metabolism similar to a hummingbird, then a 10 pound fairy will need just as much food as a full grown man; so, scarcity would be just as meaningful if not more so to them because not only do they need just as much food, but they will need to stop to eat more often because of their smaller stomachs and lesser body fat.
Aside from this fact, (since you asked for an answer that does not involve eating a lot for their size), what constitutes as a fair fight may be relative. Their speed and agility may give them the opportunity to out maneuver a giant warhammer for a quick slash to the neck, but their advantages may have well-known counters such as using nets, flails, water hoses, specialized armor, or other weapons & techniques that make it an uneven fight.
Basically, other races can adapt their methods to kill lightwings much more easily than the inverse; so, while they may do well in the opening days of a conflict, an enemy that is prepared to fight them will typically win, even if outnumbered.
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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1. Transhumanism runes are no longer available.
If you and your family were hungry, and had the opportunity to change yourself such that you all would not be so hungry, probably you would do it. You are right that after the Fall lots of people would want to be Lightwings. But after the Fall (or at some point before) the Transhuman runes are no longer available. The Lightwings that already exist will not increase in number - there is no way to do it. Except possibly by breeding...
2. Lightwings have no inherent affiliation with other Lightwings.
If I am Latvian in the US, and somehow Latvians have a survival edge after the Fall, I will find other Latvians. For one, I go to church with a bunch of them. I have been to their houses. For two they speak and read Latvian. I can put up signs. Also there is a restaurant we all used to go to and so I would recognize them if I saw them. They think like me, we have a shared background, we can talk and we get along. We can definitely team up.
Your Lightwings are raised human. Their families are human and their background is their human background. The only thing I as a Lightwing have in common with other Lightwings is that at the time Lightwing bodies were on offer, I thought they looked cool and I thought I would try it out. I chose Lightwings because I have always been hot for Tinkerbell but maybe it turns out that a vast majority of people who chose to be Lightwings chose that because they were old and aching and very heavy and were tired of it. These old folks qua Lightwings like to complain and argue, and voice their suspicions about what kind of people the other Lightwings were before they were Lightwings. They are not much for the teaming up.
My buddies, on the other hand, are a bunch of other things besides Lightwings. In once sense that is a shame because there is no Tinkerbell equivalent, but otherwise it works well. It is easier hanging with them because they are not fussy old jerks and actually our strengths complement each other.
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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– Nosajimiki
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Lightwings taste really good. Like, really really good. Finger-licking, marrow-sucking good. While they hold their own one-on-one against the general population, there is a rare subspecies that specializes in hunting/trapping lightwings (after all, what lightwing can resist delicious bluebell pollen). Lightwings need to stay hidden to avoid capture. Large population centers of lightwings are like a smorgasbord for trolls.
Some brave lightwings use a glamour to hide their identity while wandering in plain sight. Tales of their gruesome demise when revealed are well-known.
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Kleiber's law and Square-Cube Law
You say they eat less than a human, but...
The Kleiber's law states that the metabolic rate of organism scales at 3/4 power of their mass.
The Square-Cube law states that each time you x2 the radius of an object, you x4 the surface, and x8 the volume.
A human weight 110 lb and has 5 ft of height. A fairy has 1 ft. That is five times the size, or $5^2 = 25$ the volume, which is linearly related to mass. A fairy would weight $110 / 25 = 4,4 text{ lb}$. If the metabolic rate of an human is 2,000 calories, the metabolic rate of a fairy would be $(2,000 / 110^frac{3}{4}) times 4.4^frac{3}{4} = 178 text{ kcal}$.
A human needs $frac{2,000 text{ kcal}}{110 text{ lb}} = 18 text{ kcal/lb}$ while a fairy needs $frac{178 text{ kcal}}{4.4 text{ lb}} = 40 text{ kcal/lb}$, they need more calories per the same abount of body mass.
What means all that? It means that the relation of food mass / body mass is higher on fairies, so they are much more vulnerable to dehydration, malnourishment and starvation. They are able to survive much fewer days without food or water, due they has a higher metabolic rate in proportion to their size, and so they can carry less fat in their own body.
Little Offspring
Fairies grow and develop much slower compared to a human. Despite their size, they need much more years to mature, and when they do, they breed less often than humans does (less fertile or actives?).
Fragile
Fairies are much fragile than humans. They are much more fragile towards sickness, cold, hot, hunger, wounds, diseases, etc.
By the way, fairy medicine isn't so advanced as human medicine, they are a quite new race. Even more, maybe fairies need a much stricter diet due to their fragile bodies.
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We need to qualify your statement, a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
The problem is this: what kept the lightwings from overwhelming humanity before the apocalypse? It had to be something. So, let's talk about why they're an equal match.
Let's talk about flies.
Flies suck. They buzz around your head. You swat them with your hand and it it doesn't phase them. You grab a fly swatter and you can only kill them (unless you're lucky) when they land somewhere and wait for death. It's a good thing flies are dumb as rocks or they would have overwhelmed humanity a long, long time ago.
Except that humans discovered aerosol poison. And ultraviolet light (but this isn't as important).
Now, ignoring the fact that aerosol poisons would work against lightwings as well as flies, the point I'm making is that the lightwing's advantage is small-mass and high-speed. The human's advantage is strength. Since they're both intelligent, one would hope that's a wash (although the gas fields of WWI proved that intelligence on both sides doesn't always avoid death. Aerosol poison is a real problem for you).
But this doesn't mean there aren't predators. Making the lightwings godlike is bad for your story. Another statement you made is this: an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature.
The reality is: they absolutely cannot be (or they would have overrun the humans a long, long time ago).
You know what lightwings have problems with? Hawks and other birds of prey. Sure, they're smart enough to use swords. They might even have magic. Hey, maybe they have mini AK-47s. But when swift and mighty death is approaching you at a bazillion miles an hour from the heights of heaven and you don't know it....
Predation
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They eat things that humans do not, and that is as scarce as human food. You could make them reliant on some shared resource but have others be completely separate if you want to give them a reason to fight (they both drink water, but eat totally incompatible foods, for example).
This doesn't solve the living space issues - lightwings could fit in smaller spaces, but fighting over their scarce food means they isolate themselves into smaller groups. They may also need some special environment to be comfortable and happy. Humans like to be out of the weather and somewhere around 70 degrees. Maybe lightwings need very high humidity, or they can't handle extreme temperatures. Those examples might limit their range too much for your story, but some other acceptable requirement could limit their ability to congregate in large numbers but still allow them to live in various locations/environments.
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Because lightwings are solitary creatures. To the point of being unable to exist with other lightwings unless it's mating season.
They explode.
You move one lightwing to another one and closer they get they start to magically vibrate and when they touch they resonate with each other channelling their inner magic on the same oscilloscopy level of recipient and it make them explode.
Also ancient curse. Modern curse. that one rune that make them die. and that spell that make more than three lightwings on square meter turn into hotdogs.
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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Having just watched the scene in The Matrix, where Agent Smith describes how humanity is the only 'mammal' seemingly incapable of establishing an equilibrium with its surroundings, the only answer so far is that, that is just not their way. Otherwise this answer will quickly dissolve into reasons against the statement that humans have not established an equilibrium (oh, no... we're running out of oil. Again).
On the face of it your question seems story based, but it's actually one of logistics; as all good questions are. Native Americans had respect for their land, because they had respect for the generations that would come after them. It's simple sound logic. But what compels a culture to comply is a question for the ages ... or a damn history book.
You should watch Wizards
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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The answer to that one is pretty simple - fairies are stupid.
Look - they are 1 foot tall. So on average (assuming human proportions), compared to a 6 foot tall, 200 pound person, they weigh something like 1 pound. That, in turn, suggests a brain weight on the order of 1/4 ounce. How smart can such a being be?
Even if you assume a brain which is 10 times larger than human (proportionate to body mass) you're only up to about 2 1/2 ounces.
Furthermore, fairies will need significant investment in brain tissue to control their wings, which will reduce the "spare" brain capacity required to do abstract thinking.
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Nosajimiki's answer is definitely the most significant. Maybe they don't need as much food - but they need to spend a massive proportion of their time eating in order to maintain that lightweight metabolism.
Nosajimiki has missed a lot of the other consequences though. Unless they have some supplemental magic to help, a 5oz fairy cannot carry a 1lb coconut. Not even if they grip it by the husk...
Basically, anything involving moving, lifting or pushing stuff is going to be beyond them. They can't drive. They can't operate most machinery. They certainly can't carry any weapon larger than a poisoned needle, and they can't wear any armour, protective clothing, gas masks, or anything else heavier than gauze. Operating computers should be OK, with a suitable keyboard and mouse - but they may need help to push it into a USB socket against the connector retention spring. They would have a huge advantage for some assembly work such as fine-pitch soldering, but they would never be able to use a screwdriver or spanner, or to move the circuit board themselves.
So lightwings can certainly find a role in society, but there's an awful lot they can't do.
For an example of small and large fairy creatures coexisting in a semi-modern environment, read Tad Williams' War of the Flowers. It's a pretty good book anyway.
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Being big (like us) helps when the winter comes, the mass grows faster then the radiating surfaces. Your tinkerbells are too small, they mass-surface relation will kill them when the temperature falls. Also, they have wings and wings are basically radiators. They will spend most of their time eating sugary foods and drinking water to keep their body hot enough for them to live, like hummingbirds.
Also, being so small they won't be able to access some of our sources of sugar - they won't grind cereals, nor milk cows. Fires will be dangerous for them. Flames that would just hurt our fingers with 2nd degree burns will burn their internal organs because they don't have enough mass protecting their liver and heart and brains from fire's heat, they are too small.
They would have to live like sentient hummingbirds: will have to domesticate new plants and animals to get their sugary diet and will be restricted to the tropics. Domestication takes time and until they can somehow create on their own plantations of flowers full of sugary nectar and domesticate those ants that have a sugar reservoir on their abdomen, like some brazillian ants (I belive China has a similar ant species) they will live a miserable life.
Also, predation and competition. If you are 1 foot tall, cats, dogs, birds, rats, some insects and snakes change from pets to predators. And in the niche of eating sugar, bees will compete with you. A full-sized human can stand a lot of bee stings because we are too big and our skin too hard. Your tinkerbells won't. A bee sting in their abdomen will get right into the liver and the bee's venom will kill them.
So, they won't rule the world, they will live a miserable existence hunting for sugar, attacking bee's nests in deadly battles and hiding from one of the most lethal predators the earth has ever seen - the cats, both feral and domestic. I hope they chose well the other five runes.
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It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter why faeries can't form super swarms, because if 1 faerie can come anywhere close to handling a single human in combat, then a troop of faeries is going to utterly destroy an equally sized group of humans if they put their mind to it.
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Guerrilla warfare.
There just aren't any practical ways to defend a camp from a group of small, intelligent, flying intruders. There will be faeries in the food. Faeries in the sleeping bags. Your shoes will go missing, your nets will have holes, and all the buttons will mysteriously vanish. Unless the humans have an underground bunker with an airlock, they're utterly screwed if the faeries decide they want the humans dead. Even with an airlock, I wouldn't put it past a determined faerie to be able to sneak inside.
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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If your fairies retain their intelligence then there aren't many options actually
Arrogance
Simple enough. Because of how easy it is for them to survive and flourish(as compared to non-fairies), they begin to believe the world belongs to them, all the more so when you consider their numbers. In other words, they develop a sense of manifest destiny. They don't go around in large swarms mainly because they see no need/can't be bothered to organize themselves sufficiently. Hostile encounters between fairies and non-fairies tend to be in small groups or even one on one because of a twisted sense of honour, which is probably just a veneer for sadism.
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You say they require less resources because they are tiny yet still are equal in a fight with a human. But why wouldnt you just say "they might be tiny but still use similar amount of food and water as humans"? Give them an ability for eating a lot in a short amount of time to shut people up about "tiny mouths=needs to eat most of the day" and you are done.
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They need less food and water, but they are more sensitive to pollution of various kinds. Which is why they abandoned the neighbourhood of human beings and dwelled by preference in glades deep in the forests.
So, there are lots of areas where humans may thrive, but fairies can't abide.
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They are less fertile than humans
Like in they have a really hard time having little fairies. This resource is used in Eragon's elves: they live very long (immortal unless killed) and they are way stronger (in everything) than humans. How to balance the species? Make it difficult to them to have kids. Like in extremely difficult: in their visit to the biggest elf city it's said they only have 2 infants iirc (read this a long time ago).
You probably don't need to make it that difficult, but it's an easy resource to balance species.
Also you can make it so they take longer to mature, meaning they are child fairies a longer time, slowing the rate at which they can create a big army.
EDIT: you can use the same resource the other way around to balance other species that are dumber/weaker/more prone to war/whatever.. just make them extremely fertile.
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Calcium deficiency
Lightwings' zippy flight patterns are fine for soft tissues, but the high G-forces wreak havoc on their bones. Thus, these creatures require relatively very high levels of calcium intake. In fact, they reward other species younglings which leave calcium-rich teeth out for the fairies to collect.
It turns out that this need for calcium is the fairies' biological limiting factor. There can only be so many fairies as their are younglings to leave calcium deposits for them.
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They're fascinated by bright lights, hence the name.
If your humans can survive the night, they'll find the entire Lightwing army staring stupidly at the sun, which is when most predators hunt for them.
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They are way less social than humans, large lightwing villages have around 20-30 individuals, whereas the smallest human communities typically, bands, range from 20-50 individuals. The typical human community in your setting are tribes with ~150 individuals.
An individual human and an individual lightwing are evenly matched, but a human community and a lightwing community are not, in most cases lightwings are at serious disadvantage.
This is not hard to achieve, if lightwings are less trusting, and only tend to congregate as immediate family they can't form the large groups humans can.
Alternatively if you still want to be somewhat social, their magic start to interfere with each other. If you get to many living to close their magic stops working, or at least becomes more and more unpredictable and problematic. So a lightwing family may be fine IN a large human community, but a large community of lightwings turns into a huge fight, or more likely it is so disruptive they immediately split into smaller communities.
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The easiest way is to limit their diet. Maybe they can only eat fruit (which goes bad rapidly and is more scarce in winter), or any one particular type of food. Maybe they can only eat raw meat, for instance, forcing them to hunt and making food storage essentially useless (but making a large sized rat a veritable feast). Even with lower-than-a-hummingbird metabolisms, restricted food sources could make being one less attractive.
Or you could limit them other ways. Such as, they don't eat at all but subsist off dew and sunlight (legends of fairies have suggested they once did). If that's the case then periods of dryness or dark could be very weakening to them. That would be a major factor in choosing to stay a lightwing, especially with only 7 days to become used to it. If night times forced a person to seek cover and hide because the longer the night went on the weaker they'd get, well, a lot of people wouldn't be happy with that sort of trade-off, no matter what power they had by day.
To someone used to always being strong, suddenly feeling great weakness would be a disorienting and frightening feeling, especially especially for someone who's sole focus is survival. Seven days isn't really enough time to get used to or adapt to such a thing either, so quite a number of people might Nope right out of their trial period and never look back.
Another limiting factor could be language--maybe lightwings speak only their own language and must relearn the dominant language, and even then may never speak it very well. This would mean families and friends may not be able to speak to one another, and that could be heavy factor in deciding.
Also, never underestimate "peer pressure." Choosing a form also means choosing other things. If a husband wants to be a lightwing but the wife wants to be an elf, they have a decision to make--separate as a couple or choose another form (unless they don't like sex). Or say the couple is fine with it but their child is stubbornly set on being an orc--how does a lightwing raise an orc? Or if all a child's friends are orcs, will they want to remain a lightwing? In this form they may rule at hide and seek, but they'll certainly never be part of a baseball game. Those sorts of peer group and familial pressures may drive a lot of people from the choice.
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The desire to breed may be more of a social construct and less determined by environmental factors. A study living in a mouse utopia where the population was observed to collapse despite an abundance of food and space, even after the population had returned to previous numbers of successful growth, eventually continuing to fall until they all died out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7X-1V9nOs
One argument may be that due to the long-life and societal age of the fae races has led to a breakdown in the social behavior needed to grow a population.
A real-life parallel (although with entirely different factors) can be seen in Japan where the annual birthrate has fallen to the lowest in history and is continuing to decline, despite an abundance of wealth, food, prosperity, and relative safety from invaders as they have no immediate neighbors due to being an island nation.
It's interesting to try and speculate based on the obvious factors but both research and observation has shown that this is only a partial factor of population growth. Take the mcguffin of your choice and run with it. Sometimes the mundane can prove more interesting to the reader than a definitive reason. For example, you can take a failed study of your choice where certain unknown factors exist that lead to a collapse, providing similar parallels in your story, only to be understood by those familiar with such studies on societal collapse.
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Dating is hard in the apocalypse
Sure they don't require as many resources to survive, but I'm assuming there's no more Tinder/OKCupid/etc in your apocalypse world, nor will there be fertility clinics/sperm banks/etc... Finding a life mate is hard enough even w/ all of the modern day resources available to us. After the fall populations are naturally going to be lower, and spread out more. And probably not a ton of people switched (assuming the option to do so was pre-apoc). If anything, any fantasy-race aside from humans is going to have a hard time maintaining a viable population increase unless their breeding cycle is much quicker.
Intraspecies bonding
Having once been human, there's a good chance your lightwings will still fall in love with humans, and vice versa. Especially if small groups have better survival odds in the wilderness cross-species teams will likely develop, including non-platonic relations (nevermind they won't be able to produce offspring).
The End of the world is no place to raise a baby
Many people (regardless of body form) will choose to forego children just because surviving the apocalypse requires so much resources that could be spent surviving. Add to this that since Lightwings are new, figuring out how everything works might not be an easy task. Even if they've got access to books, there's not likely to be any literature on their reproductive situation, nor on child rearing and there are probably vast differences in how a lightwing baby is raised from how a human one is. In fact some "expected" handling of lightwing babies may end up being lethal or injurious.
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Lightwings get cancer really easily. Much more easily than humans. (Kind of the opposite of elephants who only rarely get cancer.) Since the apocalypse involved lots of radioactive things being splashed around, your Lightwings can only visit and live in very constrained areas. They can't even eat bananas. So you get little clusters of Lightwings living in the really nice, pristine areas, surrounded by species who are less vulnerable, but the outside species can't push in because the Lightwings out-breed them, and the Lightwings can't push out because of the radiation...and you get conflict on the borders.
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They reproduce like cicadas.
Some small creatures take their time about reproducing. Some cicadas take 17 years to reach sexual maturity. That's more time than larger creatures such as dogs and cats.
Your fairies may reach sexual maturity only after they are 40 or 50 years old.
And then, like cicadas and so many other insects, they mate, lay eggs and die, all within just a few days.
That would make the loss of fairy life more dangerous to them as a species than the loss of a human life is to us. They will want to play cool with other races.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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They reproduce like cicadas.
Some small creatures take their time about reproducing. Some cicadas take 17 years to reach sexual maturity. That's more time than larger creatures such as dogs and cats.
Your fairies may reach sexual maturity only after they are 40 or 50 years old.
And then, like cicadas and so many other insects, they mate, lay eggs and die, all within just a few days.
That would make the loss of fairy life more dangerous to them as a species than the loss of a human life is to us. They will want to play cool with other races.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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They reproduce like cicadas.
Some small creatures take their time about reproducing. Some cicadas take 17 years to reach sexual maturity. That's more time than larger creatures such as dogs and cats.
Your fairies may reach sexual maturity only after they are 40 or 50 years old.
And then, like cicadas and so many other insects, they mate, lay eggs and die, all within just a few days.
That would make the loss of fairy life more dangerous to them as a species than the loss of a human life is to us. They will want to play cool with other races.
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They reproduce like cicadas.
Some small creatures take their time about reproducing. Some cicadas take 17 years to reach sexual maturity. That's more time than larger creatures such as dogs and cats.
Your fairies may reach sexual maturity only after they are 40 or 50 years old.
And then, like cicadas and so many other insects, they mate, lay eggs and die, all within just a few days.
That would make the loss of fairy life more dangerous to them as a species than the loss of a human life is to us. They will want to play cool with other races.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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This. As much as humans like to talk about love, sexual interest in us doesn't really happen without proper hormones present. Assuming Lightwings are still mammals, they may have somewhat different biochemistry and consequently their mating patterns can be really different.
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Flying creatures have a much higher metabolism for their size, especially non-gliding kinds like fairies. If you assume they have a metabolism similar to a hummingbird, then a 10 pound fairy will need just as much food as a full grown man; so, scarcity would be just as meaningful if not more so to them because not only do they need just as much food, but they will need to stop to eat more often because of their smaller stomachs and lesser body fat.
Aside from this fact, (since you asked for an answer that does not involve eating a lot for their size), what constitutes as a fair fight may be relative. Their speed and agility may give them the opportunity to out maneuver a giant warhammer for a quick slash to the neck, but their advantages may have well-known counters such as using nets, flails, water hoses, specialized armor, or other weapons & techniques that make it an uneven fight.
Basically, other races can adapt their methods to kill lightwings much more easily than the inverse; so, while they may do well in the opening days of a conflict, an enemy that is prepared to fight them will typically win, even if outnumbered.
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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Flying creatures have a much higher metabolism for their size, especially non-gliding kinds like fairies. If you assume they have a metabolism similar to a hummingbird, then a 10 pound fairy will need just as much food as a full grown man; so, scarcity would be just as meaningful if not more so to them because not only do they need just as much food, but they will need to stop to eat more often because of their smaller stomachs and lesser body fat.
Aside from this fact, (since you asked for an answer that does not involve eating a lot for their size), what constitutes as a fair fight may be relative. Their speed and agility may give them the opportunity to out maneuver a giant warhammer for a quick slash to the neck, but their advantages may have well-known counters such as using nets, flails, water hoses, specialized armor, or other weapons & techniques that make it an uneven fight.
Basically, other races can adapt their methods to kill lightwings much more easily than the inverse; so, while they may do well in the opening days of a conflict, an enemy that is prepared to fight them will typically win, even if outnumbered.
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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Flying creatures have a much higher metabolism for their size, especially non-gliding kinds like fairies. If you assume they have a metabolism similar to a hummingbird, then a 10 pound fairy will need just as much food as a full grown man; so, scarcity would be just as meaningful if not more so to them because not only do they need just as much food, but they will need to stop to eat more often because of their smaller stomachs and lesser body fat.
Aside from this fact, (since you asked for an answer that does not involve eating a lot for their size), what constitutes as a fair fight may be relative. Their speed and agility may give them the opportunity to out maneuver a giant warhammer for a quick slash to the neck, but their advantages may have well-known counters such as using nets, flails, water hoses, specialized armor, or other weapons & techniques that make it an uneven fight.
Basically, other races can adapt their methods to kill lightwings much more easily than the inverse; so, while they may do well in the opening days of a conflict, an enemy that is prepared to fight them will typically win, even if outnumbered.
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Flying creatures have a much higher metabolism for their size, especially non-gliding kinds like fairies. If you assume they have a metabolism similar to a hummingbird, then a 10 pound fairy will need just as much food as a full grown man; so, scarcity would be just as meaningful if not more so to them because not only do they need just as much food, but they will need to stop to eat more often because of their smaller stomachs and lesser body fat.
Aside from this fact, (since you asked for an answer that does not involve eating a lot for their size), what constitutes as a fair fight may be relative. Their speed and agility may give them the opportunity to out maneuver a giant warhammer for a quick slash to the neck, but their advantages may have well-known counters such as using nets, flails, water hoses, specialized armor, or other weapons & techniques that make it an uneven fight.
Basically, other races can adapt their methods to kill lightwings much more easily than the inverse; so, while they may do well in the opening days of a conflict, an enemy that is prepared to fight them will typically win, even if outnumbered.
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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– Ynneadwraith
Jan 22 at 10:46
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This I like. On the food front, they'd also be much more susceptible to boom/bust population surges. Having lower levels of body fat (which is a necessity for being able to fly), and the more energetic method of moving, they'd fare far worse in a prolonged famine. To counteract this you'd want a faster reproductive cycle to people so they can bounce their population back.
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1. Transhumanism runes are no longer available.
If you and your family were hungry, and had the opportunity to change yourself such that you all would not be so hungry, probably you would do it. You are right that after the Fall lots of people would want to be Lightwings. But after the Fall (or at some point before) the Transhuman runes are no longer available. The Lightwings that already exist will not increase in number - there is no way to do it. Except possibly by breeding...
2. Lightwings have no inherent affiliation with other Lightwings.
If I am Latvian in the US, and somehow Latvians have a survival edge after the Fall, I will find other Latvians. For one, I go to church with a bunch of them. I have been to their houses. For two they speak and read Latvian. I can put up signs. Also there is a restaurant we all used to go to and so I would recognize them if I saw them. They think like me, we have a shared background, we can talk and we get along. We can definitely team up.
Your Lightwings are raised human. Their families are human and their background is their human background. The only thing I as a Lightwing have in common with other Lightwings is that at the time Lightwing bodies were on offer, I thought they looked cool and I thought I would try it out. I chose Lightwings because I have always been hot for Tinkerbell but maybe it turns out that a vast majority of people who chose to be Lightwings chose that because they were old and aching and very heavy and were tired of it. These old folks qua Lightwings like to complain and argue, and voice their suspicions about what kind of people the other Lightwings were before they were Lightwings. They are not much for the teaming up.
My buddies, on the other hand, are a bunch of other things besides Lightwings. In once sense that is a shame because there is no Tinkerbell equivalent, but otherwise it works well. It is easier hanging with them because they are not fussy old jerks and actually our strengths complement each other.
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 16:41
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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– Nosajimiki
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1. Transhumanism runes are no longer available.
If you and your family were hungry, and had the opportunity to change yourself such that you all would not be so hungry, probably you would do it. You are right that after the Fall lots of people would want to be Lightwings. But after the Fall (or at some point before) the Transhuman runes are no longer available. The Lightwings that already exist will not increase in number - there is no way to do it. Except possibly by breeding...
2. Lightwings have no inherent affiliation with other Lightwings.
If I am Latvian in the US, and somehow Latvians have a survival edge after the Fall, I will find other Latvians. For one, I go to church with a bunch of them. I have been to their houses. For two they speak and read Latvian. I can put up signs. Also there is a restaurant we all used to go to and so I would recognize them if I saw them. They think like me, we have a shared background, we can talk and we get along. We can definitely team up.
Your Lightwings are raised human. Their families are human and their background is their human background. The only thing I as a Lightwing have in common with other Lightwings is that at the time Lightwing bodies were on offer, I thought they looked cool and I thought I would try it out. I chose Lightwings because I have always been hot for Tinkerbell but maybe it turns out that a vast majority of people who chose to be Lightwings chose that because they were old and aching and very heavy and were tired of it. These old folks qua Lightwings like to complain and argue, and voice their suspicions about what kind of people the other Lightwings were before they were Lightwings. They are not much for the teaming up.
My buddies, on the other hand, are a bunch of other things besides Lightwings. In once sense that is a shame because there is no Tinkerbell equivalent, but otherwise it works well. It is easier hanging with them because they are not fussy old jerks and actually our strengths complement each other.
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 16:41
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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– Nosajimiki
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1. Transhumanism runes are no longer available.
If you and your family were hungry, and had the opportunity to change yourself such that you all would not be so hungry, probably you would do it. You are right that after the Fall lots of people would want to be Lightwings. But after the Fall (or at some point before) the Transhuman runes are no longer available. The Lightwings that already exist will not increase in number - there is no way to do it. Except possibly by breeding...
2. Lightwings have no inherent affiliation with other Lightwings.
If I am Latvian in the US, and somehow Latvians have a survival edge after the Fall, I will find other Latvians. For one, I go to church with a bunch of them. I have been to their houses. For two they speak and read Latvian. I can put up signs. Also there is a restaurant we all used to go to and so I would recognize them if I saw them. They think like me, we have a shared background, we can talk and we get along. We can definitely team up.
Your Lightwings are raised human. Their families are human and their background is their human background. The only thing I as a Lightwing have in common with other Lightwings is that at the time Lightwing bodies were on offer, I thought they looked cool and I thought I would try it out. I chose Lightwings because I have always been hot for Tinkerbell but maybe it turns out that a vast majority of people who chose to be Lightwings chose that because they were old and aching and very heavy and were tired of it. These old folks qua Lightwings like to complain and argue, and voice their suspicions about what kind of people the other Lightwings were before they were Lightwings. They are not much for the teaming up.
My buddies, on the other hand, are a bunch of other things besides Lightwings. In once sense that is a shame because there is no Tinkerbell equivalent, but otherwise it works well. It is easier hanging with them because they are not fussy old jerks and actually our strengths complement each other.
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1. Transhumanism runes are no longer available.
If you and your family were hungry, and had the opportunity to change yourself such that you all would not be so hungry, probably you would do it. You are right that after the Fall lots of people would want to be Lightwings. But after the Fall (or at some point before) the Transhuman runes are no longer available. The Lightwings that already exist will not increase in number - there is no way to do it. Except possibly by breeding...
2. Lightwings have no inherent affiliation with other Lightwings.
If I am Latvian in the US, and somehow Latvians have a survival edge after the Fall, I will find other Latvians. For one, I go to church with a bunch of them. I have been to their houses. For two they speak and read Latvian. I can put up signs. Also there is a restaurant we all used to go to and so I would recognize them if I saw them. They think like me, we have a shared background, we can talk and we get along. We can definitely team up.
Your Lightwings are raised human. Their families are human and their background is their human background. The only thing I as a Lightwing have in common with other Lightwings is that at the time Lightwing bodies were on offer, I thought they looked cool and I thought I would try it out. I chose Lightwings because I have always been hot for Tinkerbell but maybe it turns out that a vast majority of people who chose to be Lightwings chose that because they were old and aching and very heavy and were tired of it. These old folks qua Lightwings like to complain and argue, and voice their suspicions about what kind of people the other Lightwings were before they were Lightwings. They are not much for the teaming up.
My buddies, on the other hand, are a bunch of other things besides Lightwings. In once sense that is a shame because there is no Tinkerbell equivalent, but otherwise it works well. It is easier hanging with them because they are not fussy old jerks and actually our strengths complement each other.
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 16:41
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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– Nosajimiki
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 16:41
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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– Nosajimiki
Jan 21 at 17:05
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 16:41
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I loled at the part about Tinkerbell. And to clarify, yes, I was talking about them eventually reproducing since their societies would have much larger "carrying capacities" than human societies.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 16:41
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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– Nosajimiki
Jan 21 at 17:05
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#2 would be a very meaningful limiter in the first few years, but if you think about it, eventually you're going to want to find yourself a Tinkerbell and settle down so you can have little tinker-babies. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, family tribalism will become more important than pre-transformation acquaintances.
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Lightwings taste really good. Like, really really good. Finger-licking, marrow-sucking good. While they hold their own one-on-one against the general population, there is a rare subspecies that specializes in hunting/trapping lightwings (after all, what lightwing can resist delicious bluebell pollen). Lightwings need to stay hidden to avoid capture. Large population centers of lightwings are like a smorgasbord for trolls.
Some brave lightwings use a glamour to hide their identity while wandering in plain sight. Tales of their gruesome demise when revealed are well-known.
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Lightwings taste really good. Like, really really good. Finger-licking, marrow-sucking good. While they hold their own one-on-one against the general population, there is a rare subspecies that specializes in hunting/trapping lightwings (after all, what lightwing can resist delicious bluebell pollen). Lightwings need to stay hidden to avoid capture. Large population centers of lightwings are like a smorgasbord for trolls.
Some brave lightwings use a glamour to hide their identity while wandering in plain sight. Tales of their gruesome demise when revealed are well-known.
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Lightwings taste really good. Like, really really good. Finger-licking, marrow-sucking good. While they hold their own one-on-one against the general population, there is a rare subspecies that specializes in hunting/trapping lightwings (after all, what lightwing can resist delicious bluebell pollen). Lightwings need to stay hidden to avoid capture. Large population centers of lightwings are like a smorgasbord for trolls.
Some brave lightwings use a glamour to hide their identity while wandering in plain sight. Tales of their gruesome demise when revealed are well-known.
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Lightwings taste really good. Like, really really good. Finger-licking, marrow-sucking good. While they hold their own one-on-one against the general population, there is a rare subspecies that specializes in hunting/trapping lightwings (after all, what lightwing can resist delicious bluebell pollen). Lightwings need to stay hidden to avoid capture. Large population centers of lightwings are like a smorgasbord for trolls.
Some brave lightwings use a glamour to hide their identity while wandering in plain sight. Tales of their gruesome demise when revealed are well-known.
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Kleiber's law and Square-Cube Law
You say they eat less than a human, but...
The Kleiber's law states that the metabolic rate of organism scales at 3/4 power of their mass.
The Square-Cube law states that each time you x2 the radius of an object, you x4 the surface, and x8 the volume.
A human weight 110 lb and has 5 ft of height. A fairy has 1 ft. That is five times the size, or $5^2 = 25$ the volume, which is linearly related to mass. A fairy would weight $110 / 25 = 4,4 text{ lb}$. If the metabolic rate of an human is 2,000 calories, the metabolic rate of a fairy would be $(2,000 / 110^frac{3}{4}) times 4.4^frac{3}{4} = 178 text{ kcal}$.
A human needs $frac{2,000 text{ kcal}}{110 text{ lb}} = 18 text{ kcal/lb}$ while a fairy needs $frac{178 text{ kcal}}{4.4 text{ lb}} = 40 text{ kcal/lb}$, they need more calories per the same abount of body mass.
What means all that? It means that the relation of food mass / body mass is higher on fairies, so they are much more vulnerable to dehydration, malnourishment and starvation. They are able to survive much fewer days without food or water, due they has a higher metabolic rate in proportion to their size, and so they can carry less fat in their own body.
Little Offspring
Fairies grow and develop much slower compared to a human. Despite their size, they need much more years to mature, and when they do, they breed less often than humans does (less fertile or actives?).
Fragile
Fairies are much fragile than humans. They are much more fragile towards sickness, cold, hot, hunger, wounds, diseases, etc.
By the way, fairy medicine isn't so advanced as human medicine, they are a quite new race. Even more, maybe fairies need a much stricter diet due to their fragile bodies.
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Kleiber's law and Square-Cube Law
You say they eat less than a human, but...
The Kleiber's law states that the metabolic rate of organism scales at 3/4 power of their mass.
The Square-Cube law states that each time you x2 the radius of an object, you x4 the surface, and x8 the volume.
A human weight 110 lb and has 5 ft of height. A fairy has 1 ft. That is five times the size, or $5^2 = 25$ the volume, which is linearly related to mass. A fairy would weight $110 / 25 = 4,4 text{ lb}$. If the metabolic rate of an human is 2,000 calories, the metabolic rate of a fairy would be $(2,000 / 110^frac{3}{4}) times 4.4^frac{3}{4} = 178 text{ kcal}$.
A human needs $frac{2,000 text{ kcal}}{110 text{ lb}} = 18 text{ kcal/lb}$ while a fairy needs $frac{178 text{ kcal}}{4.4 text{ lb}} = 40 text{ kcal/lb}$, they need more calories per the same abount of body mass.
What means all that? It means that the relation of food mass / body mass is higher on fairies, so they are much more vulnerable to dehydration, malnourishment and starvation. They are able to survive much fewer days without food or water, due they has a higher metabolic rate in proportion to their size, and so they can carry less fat in their own body.
Little Offspring
Fairies grow and develop much slower compared to a human. Despite their size, they need much more years to mature, and when they do, they breed less often than humans does (less fertile or actives?).
Fragile
Fairies are much fragile than humans. They are much more fragile towards sickness, cold, hot, hunger, wounds, diseases, etc.
By the way, fairy medicine isn't so advanced as human medicine, they are a quite new race. Even more, maybe fairies need a much stricter diet due to their fragile bodies.
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Kleiber's law and Square-Cube Law
You say they eat less than a human, but...
The Kleiber's law states that the metabolic rate of organism scales at 3/4 power of their mass.
The Square-Cube law states that each time you x2 the radius of an object, you x4 the surface, and x8 the volume.
A human weight 110 lb and has 5 ft of height. A fairy has 1 ft. That is five times the size, or $5^2 = 25$ the volume, which is linearly related to mass. A fairy would weight $110 / 25 = 4,4 text{ lb}$. If the metabolic rate of an human is 2,000 calories, the metabolic rate of a fairy would be $(2,000 / 110^frac{3}{4}) times 4.4^frac{3}{4} = 178 text{ kcal}$.
A human needs $frac{2,000 text{ kcal}}{110 text{ lb}} = 18 text{ kcal/lb}$ while a fairy needs $frac{178 text{ kcal}}{4.4 text{ lb}} = 40 text{ kcal/lb}$, they need more calories per the same abount of body mass.
What means all that? It means that the relation of food mass / body mass is higher on fairies, so they are much more vulnerable to dehydration, malnourishment and starvation. They are able to survive much fewer days without food or water, due they has a higher metabolic rate in proportion to their size, and so they can carry less fat in their own body.
Little Offspring
Fairies grow and develop much slower compared to a human. Despite their size, they need much more years to mature, and when they do, they breed less often than humans does (less fertile or actives?).
Fragile
Fairies are much fragile than humans. They are much more fragile towards sickness, cold, hot, hunger, wounds, diseases, etc.
By the way, fairy medicine isn't so advanced as human medicine, they are a quite new race. Even more, maybe fairies need a much stricter diet due to their fragile bodies.
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Kleiber's law and Square-Cube Law
You say they eat less than a human, but...
The Kleiber's law states that the metabolic rate of organism scales at 3/4 power of their mass.
The Square-Cube law states that each time you x2 the radius of an object, you x4 the surface, and x8 the volume.
A human weight 110 lb and has 5 ft of height. A fairy has 1 ft. That is five times the size, or $5^2 = 25$ the volume, which is linearly related to mass. A fairy would weight $110 / 25 = 4,4 text{ lb}$. If the metabolic rate of an human is 2,000 calories, the metabolic rate of a fairy would be $(2,000 / 110^frac{3}{4}) times 4.4^frac{3}{4} = 178 text{ kcal}$.
A human needs $frac{2,000 text{ kcal}}{110 text{ lb}} = 18 text{ kcal/lb}$ while a fairy needs $frac{178 text{ kcal}}{4.4 text{ lb}} = 40 text{ kcal/lb}$, they need more calories per the same abount of body mass.
What means all that? It means that the relation of food mass / body mass is higher on fairies, so they are much more vulnerable to dehydration, malnourishment and starvation. They are able to survive much fewer days without food or water, due they has a higher metabolic rate in proportion to their size, and so they can carry less fat in their own body.
Little Offspring
Fairies grow and develop much slower compared to a human. Despite their size, they need much more years to mature, and when they do, they breed less often than humans does (less fertile or actives?).
Fragile
Fairies are much fragile than humans. They are much more fragile towards sickness, cold, hot, hunger, wounds, diseases, etc.
By the way, fairy medicine isn't so advanced as human medicine, they are a quite new race. Even more, maybe fairies need a much stricter diet due to their fragile bodies.
answered Jan 21 at 23:24
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Predation
We need to qualify your statement, a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
The problem is this: what kept the lightwings from overwhelming humanity before the apocalypse? It had to be something. So, let's talk about why they're an equal match.
Let's talk about flies.
Flies suck. They buzz around your head. You swat them with your hand and it it doesn't phase them. You grab a fly swatter and you can only kill them (unless you're lucky) when they land somewhere and wait for death. It's a good thing flies are dumb as rocks or they would have overwhelmed humanity a long, long time ago.
Except that humans discovered aerosol poison. And ultraviolet light (but this isn't as important).
Now, ignoring the fact that aerosol poisons would work against lightwings as well as flies, the point I'm making is that the lightwing's advantage is small-mass and high-speed. The human's advantage is strength. Since they're both intelligent, one would hope that's a wash (although the gas fields of WWI proved that intelligence on both sides doesn't always avoid death. Aerosol poison is a real problem for you).
But this doesn't mean there aren't predators. Making the lightwings godlike is bad for your story. Another statement you made is this: an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature.
The reality is: they absolutely cannot be (or they would have overrun the humans a long, long time ago).
You know what lightwings have problems with? Hawks and other birds of prey. Sure, they're smart enough to use swords. They might even have magic. Hey, maybe they have mini AK-47s. But when swift and mighty death is approaching you at a bazillion miles an hour from the heights of heaven and you don't know it....
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Predation
We need to qualify your statement, a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
The problem is this: what kept the lightwings from overwhelming humanity before the apocalypse? It had to be something. So, let's talk about why they're an equal match.
Let's talk about flies.
Flies suck. They buzz around your head. You swat them with your hand and it it doesn't phase them. You grab a fly swatter and you can only kill them (unless you're lucky) when they land somewhere and wait for death. It's a good thing flies are dumb as rocks or they would have overwhelmed humanity a long, long time ago.
Except that humans discovered aerosol poison. And ultraviolet light (but this isn't as important).
Now, ignoring the fact that aerosol poisons would work against lightwings as well as flies, the point I'm making is that the lightwing's advantage is small-mass and high-speed. The human's advantage is strength. Since they're both intelligent, one would hope that's a wash (although the gas fields of WWI proved that intelligence on both sides doesn't always avoid death. Aerosol poison is a real problem for you).
But this doesn't mean there aren't predators. Making the lightwings godlike is bad for your story. Another statement you made is this: an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature.
The reality is: they absolutely cannot be (or they would have overrun the humans a long, long time ago).
You know what lightwings have problems with? Hawks and other birds of prey. Sure, they're smart enough to use swords. They might even have magic. Hey, maybe they have mini AK-47s. But when swift and mighty death is approaching you at a bazillion miles an hour from the heights of heaven and you don't know it....
Predation
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Predation
We need to qualify your statement, a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
The problem is this: what kept the lightwings from overwhelming humanity before the apocalypse? It had to be something. So, let's talk about why they're an equal match.
Let's talk about flies.
Flies suck. They buzz around your head. You swat them with your hand and it it doesn't phase them. You grab a fly swatter and you can only kill them (unless you're lucky) when they land somewhere and wait for death. It's a good thing flies are dumb as rocks or they would have overwhelmed humanity a long, long time ago.
Except that humans discovered aerosol poison. And ultraviolet light (but this isn't as important).
Now, ignoring the fact that aerosol poisons would work against lightwings as well as flies, the point I'm making is that the lightwing's advantage is small-mass and high-speed. The human's advantage is strength. Since they're both intelligent, one would hope that's a wash (although the gas fields of WWI proved that intelligence on both sides doesn't always avoid death. Aerosol poison is a real problem for you).
But this doesn't mean there aren't predators. Making the lightwings godlike is bad for your story. Another statement you made is this: an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature.
The reality is: they absolutely cannot be (or they would have overrun the humans a long, long time ago).
You know what lightwings have problems with? Hawks and other birds of prey. Sure, they're smart enough to use swords. They might even have magic. Hey, maybe they have mini AK-47s. But when swift and mighty death is approaching you at a bazillion miles an hour from the heights of heaven and you don't know it....
Predation
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Predation
We need to qualify your statement, a fight between a lightwing and a human of equal skill and equipment would be a fair fight.
The problem is this: what kept the lightwings from overwhelming humanity before the apocalypse? It had to be something. So, let's talk about why they're an equal match.
Let's talk about flies.
Flies suck. They buzz around your head. You swat them with your hand and it it doesn't phase them. You grab a fly swatter and you can only kill them (unless you're lucky) when they land somewhere and wait for death. It's a good thing flies are dumb as rocks or they would have overwhelmed humanity a long, long time ago.
Except that humans discovered aerosol poison. And ultraviolet light (but this isn't as important).
Now, ignoring the fact that aerosol poisons would work against lightwings as well as flies, the point I'm making is that the lightwing's advantage is small-mass and high-speed. The human's advantage is strength. Since they're both intelligent, one would hope that's a wash (although the gas fields of WWI proved that intelligence on both sides doesn't always avoid death. Aerosol poison is a real problem for you).
But this doesn't mean there aren't predators. Making the lightwings godlike is bad for your story. Another statement you made is this: an individual lightwing is a match for any other creature.
The reality is: they absolutely cannot be (or they would have overrun the humans a long, long time ago).
You know what lightwings have problems with? Hawks and other birds of prey. Sure, they're smart enough to use swords. They might even have magic. Hey, maybe they have mini AK-47s. But when swift and mighty death is approaching you at a bazillion miles an hour from the heights of heaven and you don't know it....
Predation
answered Jan 22 at 0:02
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They eat things that humans do not, and that is as scarce as human food. You could make them reliant on some shared resource but have others be completely separate if you want to give them a reason to fight (they both drink water, but eat totally incompatible foods, for example).
This doesn't solve the living space issues - lightwings could fit in smaller spaces, but fighting over their scarce food means they isolate themselves into smaller groups. They may also need some special environment to be comfortable and happy. Humans like to be out of the weather and somewhere around 70 degrees. Maybe lightwings need very high humidity, or they can't handle extreme temperatures. Those examples might limit their range too much for your story, but some other acceptable requirement could limit their ability to congregate in large numbers but still allow them to live in various locations/environments.
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They eat things that humans do not, and that is as scarce as human food. You could make them reliant on some shared resource but have others be completely separate if you want to give them a reason to fight (they both drink water, but eat totally incompatible foods, for example).
This doesn't solve the living space issues - lightwings could fit in smaller spaces, but fighting over their scarce food means they isolate themselves into smaller groups. They may also need some special environment to be comfortable and happy. Humans like to be out of the weather and somewhere around 70 degrees. Maybe lightwings need very high humidity, or they can't handle extreme temperatures. Those examples might limit their range too much for your story, but some other acceptable requirement could limit their ability to congregate in large numbers but still allow them to live in various locations/environments.
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They eat things that humans do not, and that is as scarce as human food. You could make them reliant on some shared resource but have others be completely separate if you want to give them a reason to fight (they both drink water, but eat totally incompatible foods, for example).
This doesn't solve the living space issues - lightwings could fit in smaller spaces, but fighting over their scarce food means they isolate themselves into smaller groups. They may also need some special environment to be comfortable and happy. Humans like to be out of the weather and somewhere around 70 degrees. Maybe lightwings need very high humidity, or they can't handle extreme temperatures. Those examples might limit their range too much for your story, but some other acceptable requirement could limit their ability to congregate in large numbers but still allow them to live in various locations/environments.
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They eat things that humans do not, and that is as scarce as human food. You could make them reliant on some shared resource but have others be completely separate if you want to give them a reason to fight (they both drink water, but eat totally incompatible foods, for example).
This doesn't solve the living space issues - lightwings could fit in smaller spaces, but fighting over their scarce food means they isolate themselves into smaller groups. They may also need some special environment to be comfortable and happy. Humans like to be out of the weather and somewhere around 70 degrees. Maybe lightwings need very high humidity, or they can't handle extreme temperatures. Those examples might limit their range too much for your story, but some other acceptable requirement could limit their ability to congregate in large numbers but still allow them to live in various locations/environments.
answered Jan 21 at 19:35
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Because lightwings are solitary creatures. To the point of being unable to exist with other lightwings unless it's mating season.
They explode.
You move one lightwing to another one and closer they get they start to magically vibrate and when they touch they resonate with each other channelling their inner magic on the same oscilloscopy level of recipient and it make them explode.
Also ancient curse. Modern curse. that one rune that make them die. and that spell that make more than three lightwings on square meter turn into hotdogs.
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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Because lightwings are solitary creatures. To the point of being unable to exist with other lightwings unless it's mating season.
They explode.
You move one lightwing to another one and closer they get they start to magically vibrate and when they touch they resonate with each other channelling their inner magic on the same oscilloscopy level of recipient and it make them explode.
Also ancient curse. Modern curse. that one rune that make them die. and that spell that make more than three lightwings on square meter turn into hotdogs.
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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– John
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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– Ynneadwraith
Jan 21 at 17:02
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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– JPhi1618
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Because lightwings are solitary creatures. To the point of being unable to exist with other lightwings unless it's mating season.
They explode.
You move one lightwing to another one and closer they get they start to magically vibrate and when they touch they resonate with each other channelling their inner magic on the same oscilloscopy level of recipient and it make them explode.
Also ancient curse. Modern curse. that one rune that make them die. and that spell that make more than three lightwings on square meter turn into hotdogs.
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Because lightwings are solitary creatures. To the point of being unable to exist with other lightwings unless it's mating season.
They explode.
You move one lightwing to another one and closer they get they start to magically vibrate and when they touch they resonate with each other channelling their inner magic on the same oscilloscopy level of recipient and it make them explode.
Also ancient curse. Modern curse. that one rune that make them die. and that spell that make more than three lightwings on square meter turn into hotdogs.
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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– John
Jan 21 at 16:35
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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– Ynneadwraith
Jan 21 at 17:02
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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– JPhi1618
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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– John
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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– Ynneadwraith
Jan 21 at 17:02
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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– JPhi1618
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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– John
Jan 21 at 16:35
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you don't need ot have them explode they could just be less social than humans, humans greatest strength is that we are VERY social, human communities of the high dozens to low hundreds are pretty normal. If fairies are rarely found in anything large than the immediate family that puts them at a significant disadvantage.
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– John
Jan 21 at 16:35
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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– Ynneadwraith
Jan 21 at 17:02
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This would definitely do it without the exploding bit. Just make them unsociable to the point of organising at a band level maximum (50 lightwings or so), with groups trending towards a dozen.
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– Ynneadwraith
Jan 21 at 17:02
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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– JPhi1618
Jan 21 at 19:26
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Maybe loose the explosion, but absolutely must keep the hot dog part. I would read that book.
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Having just watched the scene in The Matrix, where Agent Smith describes how humanity is the only 'mammal' seemingly incapable of establishing an equilibrium with its surroundings, the only answer so far is that, that is just not their way. Otherwise this answer will quickly dissolve into reasons against the statement that humans have not established an equilibrium (oh, no... we're running out of oil. Again).
On the face of it your question seems story based, but it's actually one of logistics; as all good questions are. Native Americans had respect for their land, because they had respect for the generations that would come after them. It's simple sound logic. But what compels a culture to comply is a question for the ages ... or a damn history book.
You should watch Wizards
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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– semiomant
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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Having just watched the scene in The Matrix, where Agent Smith describes how humanity is the only 'mammal' seemingly incapable of establishing an equilibrium with its surroundings, the only answer so far is that, that is just not their way. Otherwise this answer will quickly dissolve into reasons against the statement that humans have not established an equilibrium (oh, no... we're running out of oil. Again).
On the face of it your question seems story based, but it's actually one of logistics; as all good questions are. Native Americans had respect for their land, because they had respect for the generations that would come after them. It's simple sound logic. But what compels a culture to comply is a question for the ages ... or a damn history book.
You should watch Wizards
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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– Jason Clyde
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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– Mazura
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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– semiomant
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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– Mazura
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Having just watched the scene in The Matrix, where Agent Smith describes how humanity is the only 'mammal' seemingly incapable of establishing an equilibrium with its surroundings, the only answer so far is that, that is just not their way. Otherwise this answer will quickly dissolve into reasons against the statement that humans have not established an equilibrium (oh, no... we're running out of oil. Again).
On the face of it your question seems story based, but it's actually one of logistics; as all good questions are. Native Americans had respect for their land, because they had respect for the generations that would come after them. It's simple sound logic. But what compels a culture to comply is a question for the ages ... or a damn history book.
You should watch Wizards
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Having just watched the scene in The Matrix, where Agent Smith describes how humanity is the only 'mammal' seemingly incapable of establishing an equilibrium with its surroundings, the only answer so far is that, that is just not their way. Otherwise this answer will quickly dissolve into reasons against the statement that humans have not established an equilibrium (oh, no... we're running out of oil. Again).
On the face of it your question seems story based, but it's actually one of logistics; as all good questions are. Native Americans had respect for their land, because they had respect for the generations that would come after them. It's simple sound logic. But what compels a culture to comply is a question for the ages ... or a damn history book.
You should watch Wizards
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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– Jason Clyde
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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– Mazura
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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– semiomant
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 20:25
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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– Mazura
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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– semiomant
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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– Mazura
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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– Jason Clyde
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The issue with a cultural explanation is that it’ll be a long time before lightwings even have their own culture. As I said, the first generation is made up of ex-human transhumans, so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into.
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– Jason Clyde
Jan 21 at 20:25
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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– Mazura
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@JasonClyde - Get back to me after you've watched Wizards. The Old Ways are bad. We don't do that anymore.
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– Mazura
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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– semiomant
Jan 22 at 11:01
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This is very much the awnser i wanted to give, down to citing Agent Smith. What if the faeries are simply not as aggressively domineering as humans are. Or let me put it this way: Runes for fantasy races? Possible. People that do not live according to capitalist social darvinism? inconceivable.
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– semiomant
Jan 22 at 11:01
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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– Mazura
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@JasonClyde - "so they were raised in whatever human culture they were born into." - Then they are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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The answer to that one is pretty simple - fairies are stupid.
Look - they are 1 foot tall. So on average (assuming human proportions), compared to a 6 foot tall, 200 pound person, they weigh something like 1 pound. That, in turn, suggests a brain weight on the order of 1/4 ounce. How smart can such a being be?
Even if you assume a brain which is 10 times larger than human (proportionate to body mass) you're only up to about 2 1/2 ounces.
Furthermore, fairies will need significant investment in brain tissue to control their wings, which will reduce the "spare" brain capacity required to do abstract thinking.
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The answer to that one is pretty simple - fairies are stupid.
Look - they are 1 foot tall. So on average (assuming human proportions), compared to a 6 foot tall, 200 pound person, they weigh something like 1 pound. That, in turn, suggests a brain weight on the order of 1/4 ounce. How smart can such a being be?
Even if you assume a brain which is 10 times larger than human (proportionate to body mass) you're only up to about 2 1/2 ounces.
Furthermore, fairies will need significant investment in brain tissue to control their wings, which will reduce the "spare" brain capacity required to do abstract thinking.
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The answer to that one is pretty simple - fairies are stupid.
Look - they are 1 foot tall. So on average (assuming human proportions), compared to a 6 foot tall, 200 pound person, they weigh something like 1 pound. That, in turn, suggests a brain weight on the order of 1/4 ounce. How smart can such a being be?
Even if you assume a brain which is 10 times larger than human (proportionate to body mass) you're only up to about 2 1/2 ounces.
Furthermore, fairies will need significant investment in brain tissue to control their wings, which will reduce the "spare" brain capacity required to do abstract thinking.
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The answer to that one is pretty simple - fairies are stupid.
Look - they are 1 foot tall. So on average (assuming human proportions), compared to a 6 foot tall, 200 pound person, they weigh something like 1 pound. That, in turn, suggests a brain weight on the order of 1/4 ounce. How smart can such a being be?
Even if you assume a brain which is 10 times larger than human (proportionate to body mass) you're only up to about 2 1/2 ounces.
Furthermore, fairies will need significant investment in brain tissue to control their wings, which will reduce the "spare" brain capacity required to do abstract thinking.
answered Jan 21 at 21:35
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Nosajimiki's answer is definitely the most significant. Maybe they don't need as much food - but they need to spend a massive proportion of their time eating in order to maintain that lightweight metabolism.
Nosajimiki has missed a lot of the other consequences though. Unless they have some supplemental magic to help, a 5oz fairy cannot carry a 1lb coconut. Not even if they grip it by the husk...
Basically, anything involving moving, lifting or pushing stuff is going to be beyond them. They can't drive. They can't operate most machinery. They certainly can't carry any weapon larger than a poisoned needle, and they can't wear any armour, protective clothing, gas masks, or anything else heavier than gauze. Operating computers should be OK, with a suitable keyboard and mouse - but they may need help to push it into a USB socket against the connector retention spring. They would have a huge advantage for some assembly work such as fine-pitch soldering, but they would never be able to use a screwdriver or spanner, or to move the circuit board themselves.
So lightwings can certainly find a role in society, but there's an awful lot they can't do.
For an example of small and large fairy creatures coexisting in a semi-modern environment, read Tad Williams' War of the Flowers. It's a pretty good book anyway.
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Nosajimiki's answer is definitely the most significant. Maybe they don't need as much food - but they need to spend a massive proportion of their time eating in order to maintain that lightweight metabolism.
Nosajimiki has missed a lot of the other consequences though. Unless they have some supplemental magic to help, a 5oz fairy cannot carry a 1lb coconut. Not even if they grip it by the husk...
Basically, anything involving moving, lifting or pushing stuff is going to be beyond them. They can't drive. They can't operate most machinery. They certainly can't carry any weapon larger than a poisoned needle, and they can't wear any armour, protective clothing, gas masks, or anything else heavier than gauze. Operating computers should be OK, with a suitable keyboard and mouse - but they may need help to push it into a USB socket against the connector retention spring. They would have a huge advantage for some assembly work such as fine-pitch soldering, but they would never be able to use a screwdriver or spanner, or to move the circuit board themselves.
So lightwings can certainly find a role in society, but there's an awful lot they can't do.
For an example of small and large fairy creatures coexisting in a semi-modern environment, read Tad Williams' War of the Flowers. It's a pretty good book anyway.
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Nosajimiki's answer is definitely the most significant. Maybe they don't need as much food - but they need to spend a massive proportion of their time eating in order to maintain that lightweight metabolism.
Nosajimiki has missed a lot of the other consequences though. Unless they have some supplemental magic to help, a 5oz fairy cannot carry a 1lb coconut. Not even if they grip it by the husk...
Basically, anything involving moving, lifting or pushing stuff is going to be beyond them. They can't drive. They can't operate most machinery. They certainly can't carry any weapon larger than a poisoned needle, and they can't wear any armour, protective clothing, gas masks, or anything else heavier than gauze. Operating computers should be OK, with a suitable keyboard and mouse - but they may need help to push it into a USB socket against the connector retention spring. They would have a huge advantage for some assembly work such as fine-pitch soldering, but they would never be able to use a screwdriver or spanner, or to move the circuit board themselves.
So lightwings can certainly find a role in society, but there's an awful lot they can't do.
For an example of small and large fairy creatures coexisting in a semi-modern environment, read Tad Williams' War of the Flowers. It's a pretty good book anyway.
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Nosajimiki's answer is definitely the most significant. Maybe they don't need as much food - but they need to spend a massive proportion of their time eating in order to maintain that lightweight metabolism.
Nosajimiki has missed a lot of the other consequences though. Unless they have some supplemental magic to help, a 5oz fairy cannot carry a 1lb coconut. Not even if they grip it by the husk...
Basically, anything involving moving, lifting or pushing stuff is going to be beyond them. They can't drive. They can't operate most machinery. They certainly can't carry any weapon larger than a poisoned needle, and they can't wear any armour, protective clothing, gas masks, or anything else heavier than gauze. Operating computers should be OK, with a suitable keyboard and mouse - but they may need help to push it into a USB socket against the connector retention spring. They would have a huge advantage for some assembly work such as fine-pitch soldering, but they would never be able to use a screwdriver or spanner, or to move the circuit board themselves.
So lightwings can certainly find a role in society, but there's an awful lot they can't do.
For an example of small and large fairy creatures coexisting in a semi-modern environment, read Tad Williams' War of the Flowers. It's a pretty good book anyway.
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Being big (like us) helps when the winter comes, the mass grows faster then the radiating surfaces. Your tinkerbells are too small, they mass-surface relation will kill them when the temperature falls. Also, they have wings and wings are basically radiators. They will spend most of their time eating sugary foods and drinking water to keep their body hot enough for them to live, like hummingbirds.
Also, being so small they won't be able to access some of our sources of sugar - they won't grind cereals, nor milk cows. Fires will be dangerous for them. Flames that would just hurt our fingers with 2nd degree burns will burn their internal organs because they don't have enough mass protecting their liver and heart and brains from fire's heat, they are too small.
They would have to live like sentient hummingbirds: will have to domesticate new plants and animals to get their sugary diet and will be restricted to the tropics. Domestication takes time and until they can somehow create on their own plantations of flowers full of sugary nectar and domesticate those ants that have a sugar reservoir on their abdomen, like some brazillian ants (I belive China has a similar ant species) they will live a miserable life.
Also, predation and competition. If you are 1 foot tall, cats, dogs, birds, rats, some insects and snakes change from pets to predators. And in the niche of eating sugar, bees will compete with you. A full-sized human can stand a lot of bee stings because we are too big and our skin too hard. Your tinkerbells won't. A bee sting in their abdomen will get right into the liver and the bee's venom will kill them.
So, they won't rule the world, they will live a miserable existence hunting for sugar, attacking bee's nests in deadly battles and hiding from one of the most lethal predators the earth has ever seen - the cats, both feral and domestic. I hope they chose well the other five runes.
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Being big (like us) helps when the winter comes, the mass grows faster then the radiating surfaces. Your tinkerbells are too small, they mass-surface relation will kill them when the temperature falls. Also, they have wings and wings are basically radiators. They will spend most of their time eating sugary foods and drinking water to keep their body hot enough for them to live, like hummingbirds.
Also, being so small they won't be able to access some of our sources of sugar - they won't grind cereals, nor milk cows. Fires will be dangerous for them. Flames that would just hurt our fingers with 2nd degree burns will burn their internal organs because they don't have enough mass protecting their liver and heart and brains from fire's heat, they are too small.
They would have to live like sentient hummingbirds: will have to domesticate new plants and animals to get their sugary diet and will be restricted to the tropics. Domestication takes time and until they can somehow create on their own plantations of flowers full of sugary nectar and domesticate those ants that have a sugar reservoir on their abdomen, like some brazillian ants (I belive China has a similar ant species) they will live a miserable life.
Also, predation and competition. If you are 1 foot tall, cats, dogs, birds, rats, some insects and snakes change from pets to predators. And in the niche of eating sugar, bees will compete with you. A full-sized human can stand a lot of bee stings because we are too big and our skin too hard. Your tinkerbells won't. A bee sting in their abdomen will get right into the liver and the bee's venom will kill them.
So, they won't rule the world, they will live a miserable existence hunting for sugar, attacking bee's nests in deadly battles and hiding from one of the most lethal predators the earth has ever seen - the cats, both feral and domestic. I hope they chose well the other five runes.
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Being big (like us) helps when the winter comes, the mass grows faster then the radiating surfaces. Your tinkerbells are too small, they mass-surface relation will kill them when the temperature falls. Also, they have wings and wings are basically radiators. They will spend most of their time eating sugary foods and drinking water to keep their body hot enough for them to live, like hummingbirds.
Also, being so small they won't be able to access some of our sources of sugar - they won't grind cereals, nor milk cows. Fires will be dangerous for them. Flames that would just hurt our fingers with 2nd degree burns will burn their internal organs because they don't have enough mass protecting their liver and heart and brains from fire's heat, they are too small.
They would have to live like sentient hummingbirds: will have to domesticate new plants and animals to get their sugary diet and will be restricted to the tropics. Domestication takes time and until they can somehow create on their own plantations of flowers full of sugary nectar and domesticate those ants that have a sugar reservoir on their abdomen, like some brazillian ants (I belive China has a similar ant species) they will live a miserable life.
Also, predation and competition. If you are 1 foot tall, cats, dogs, birds, rats, some insects and snakes change from pets to predators. And in the niche of eating sugar, bees will compete with you. A full-sized human can stand a lot of bee stings because we are too big and our skin too hard. Your tinkerbells won't. A bee sting in their abdomen will get right into the liver and the bee's venom will kill them.
So, they won't rule the world, they will live a miserable existence hunting for sugar, attacking bee's nests in deadly battles and hiding from one of the most lethal predators the earth has ever seen - the cats, both feral and domestic. I hope they chose well the other five runes.
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Being big (like us) helps when the winter comes, the mass grows faster then the radiating surfaces. Your tinkerbells are too small, they mass-surface relation will kill them when the temperature falls. Also, they have wings and wings are basically radiators. They will spend most of their time eating sugary foods and drinking water to keep their body hot enough for them to live, like hummingbirds.
Also, being so small they won't be able to access some of our sources of sugar - they won't grind cereals, nor milk cows. Fires will be dangerous for them. Flames that would just hurt our fingers with 2nd degree burns will burn their internal organs because they don't have enough mass protecting their liver and heart and brains from fire's heat, they are too small.
They would have to live like sentient hummingbirds: will have to domesticate new plants and animals to get their sugary diet and will be restricted to the tropics. Domestication takes time and until they can somehow create on their own plantations of flowers full of sugary nectar and domesticate those ants that have a sugar reservoir on their abdomen, like some brazillian ants (I belive China has a similar ant species) they will live a miserable life.
Also, predation and competition. If you are 1 foot tall, cats, dogs, birds, rats, some insects and snakes change from pets to predators. And in the niche of eating sugar, bees will compete with you. A full-sized human can stand a lot of bee stings because we are too big and our skin too hard. Your tinkerbells won't. A bee sting in their abdomen will get right into the liver and the bee's venom will kill them.
So, they won't rule the world, they will live a miserable existence hunting for sugar, attacking bee's nests in deadly battles and hiding from one of the most lethal predators the earth has ever seen - the cats, both feral and domestic. I hope they chose well the other five runes.
answered Jan 22 at 2:17
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It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter why faeries can't form super swarms, because if 1 faerie can come anywhere close to handling a single human in combat, then a troop of faeries is going to utterly destroy an equally sized group of humans if they put their mind to it.
How?
Guerrilla warfare.
There just aren't any practical ways to defend a camp from a group of small, intelligent, flying intruders. There will be faeries in the food. Faeries in the sleeping bags. Your shoes will go missing, your nets will have holes, and all the buttons will mysteriously vanish. Unless the humans have an underground bunker with an airlock, they're utterly screwed if the faeries decide they want the humans dead. Even with an airlock, I wouldn't put it past a determined faerie to be able to sneak inside.
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter why faeries can't form super swarms, because if 1 faerie can come anywhere close to handling a single human in combat, then a troop of faeries is going to utterly destroy an equally sized group of humans if they put their mind to it.
How?
Guerrilla warfare.
There just aren't any practical ways to defend a camp from a group of small, intelligent, flying intruders. There will be faeries in the food. Faeries in the sleeping bags. Your shoes will go missing, your nets will have holes, and all the buttons will mysteriously vanish. Unless the humans have an underground bunker with an airlock, they're utterly screwed if the faeries decide they want the humans dead. Even with an airlock, I wouldn't put it past a determined faerie to be able to sneak inside.
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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– Geronimo
Jan 22 at 15:40
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It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter why faeries can't form super swarms, because if 1 faerie can come anywhere close to handling a single human in combat, then a troop of faeries is going to utterly destroy an equally sized group of humans if they put their mind to it.
How?
Guerrilla warfare.
There just aren't any practical ways to defend a camp from a group of small, intelligent, flying intruders. There will be faeries in the food. Faeries in the sleeping bags. Your shoes will go missing, your nets will have holes, and all the buttons will mysteriously vanish. Unless the humans have an underground bunker with an airlock, they're utterly screwed if the faeries decide they want the humans dead. Even with an airlock, I wouldn't put it past a determined faerie to be able to sneak inside.
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It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter why faeries can't form super swarms, because if 1 faerie can come anywhere close to handling a single human in combat, then a troop of faeries is going to utterly destroy an equally sized group of humans if they put their mind to it.
How?
Guerrilla warfare.
There just aren't any practical ways to defend a camp from a group of small, intelligent, flying intruders. There will be faeries in the food. Faeries in the sleeping bags. Your shoes will go missing, your nets will have holes, and all the buttons will mysteriously vanish. Unless the humans have an underground bunker with an airlock, they're utterly screwed if the faeries decide they want the humans dead. Even with an airlock, I wouldn't put it past a determined faerie to be able to sneak inside.
answered Jan 22 at 5:55
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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– Geronimo
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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– Geronimo
Jan 22 at 15:40
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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– Geronimo
Jan 22 at 15:40
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You can get rid of them. Fire and smoke. Because they are so small they don't tolerate heat as well we do, also their lungs have a smaller surface, so smoke will do more damage. If you are in a cold weather area, wait the winter and then raze all places they can hide - the cold will kill them. If you are in the tropics, raze the forests, create a big clearance. During daytime the sun`s heat will overheat them, during night you create a fire and smoke screen with razed trees. They will only be able to attack during cloudy weather.
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– Geronimo
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If your fairies retain their intelligence then there aren't many options actually
Arrogance
Simple enough. Because of how easy it is for them to survive and flourish(as compared to non-fairies), they begin to believe the world belongs to them, all the more so when you consider their numbers. In other words, they develop a sense of manifest destiny. They don't go around in large swarms mainly because they see no need/can't be bothered to organize themselves sufficiently. Hostile encounters between fairies and non-fairies tend to be in small groups or even one on one because of a twisted sense of honour, which is probably just a veneer for sadism.
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If your fairies retain their intelligence then there aren't many options actually
Arrogance
Simple enough. Because of how easy it is for them to survive and flourish(as compared to non-fairies), they begin to believe the world belongs to them, all the more so when you consider their numbers. In other words, they develop a sense of manifest destiny. They don't go around in large swarms mainly because they see no need/can't be bothered to organize themselves sufficiently. Hostile encounters between fairies and non-fairies tend to be in small groups or even one on one because of a twisted sense of honour, which is probably just a veneer for sadism.
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If your fairies retain their intelligence then there aren't many options actually
Arrogance
Simple enough. Because of how easy it is for them to survive and flourish(as compared to non-fairies), they begin to believe the world belongs to them, all the more so when you consider their numbers. In other words, they develop a sense of manifest destiny. They don't go around in large swarms mainly because they see no need/can't be bothered to organize themselves sufficiently. Hostile encounters between fairies and non-fairies tend to be in small groups or even one on one because of a twisted sense of honour, which is probably just a veneer for sadism.
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If your fairies retain their intelligence then there aren't many options actually
Arrogance
Simple enough. Because of how easy it is for them to survive and flourish(as compared to non-fairies), they begin to believe the world belongs to them, all the more so when you consider their numbers. In other words, they develop a sense of manifest destiny. They don't go around in large swarms mainly because they see no need/can't be bothered to organize themselves sufficiently. Hostile encounters between fairies and non-fairies tend to be in small groups or even one on one because of a twisted sense of honour, which is probably just a veneer for sadism.
answered Jan 21 at 16:43
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You say they require less resources because they are tiny yet still are equal in a fight with a human. But why wouldnt you just say "they might be tiny but still use similar amount of food and water as humans"? Give them an ability for eating a lot in a short amount of time to shut people up about "tiny mouths=needs to eat most of the day" and you are done.
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You say they require less resources because they are tiny yet still are equal in a fight with a human. But why wouldnt you just say "they might be tiny but still use similar amount of food and water as humans"? Give them an ability for eating a lot in a short amount of time to shut people up about "tiny mouths=needs to eat most of the day" and you are done.
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You say they require less resources because they are tiny yet still are equal in a fight with a human. But why wouldnt you just say "they might be tiny but still use similar amount of food and water as humans"? Give them an ability for eating a lot in a short amount of time to shut people up about "tiny mouths=needs to eat most of the day" and you are done.
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You say they require less resources because they are tiny yet still are equal in a fight with a human. But why wouldnt you just say "they might be tiny but still use similar amount of food and water as humans"? Give them an ability for eating a lot in a short amount of time to shut people up about "tiny mouths=needs to eat most of the day" and you are done.
answered Jan 21 at 17:07
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They need less food and water, but they are more sensitive to pollution of various kinds. Which is why they abandoned the neighbourhood of human beings and dwelled by preference in glades deep in the forests.
So, there are lots of areas where humans may thrive, but fairies can't abide.
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They need less food and water, but they are more sensitive to pollution of various kinds. Which is why they abandoned the neighbourhood of human beings and dwelled by preference in glades deep in the forests.
So, there are lots of areas where humans may thrive, but fairies can't abide.
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They need less food and water, but they are more sensitive to pollution of various kinds. Which is why they abandoned the neighbourhood of human beings and dwelled by preference in glades deep in the forests.
So, there are lots of areas where humans may thrive, but fairies can't abide.
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They need less food and water, but they are more sensitive to pollution of various kinds. Which is why they abandoned the neighbourhood of human beings and dwelled by preference in glades deep in the forests.
So, there are lots of areas where humans may thrive, but fairies can't abide.
answered Jan 21 at 22:37
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They are less fertile than humans
Like in they have a really hard time having little fairies. This resource is used in Eragon's elves: they live very long (immortal unless killed) and they are way stronger (in everything) than humans. How to balance the species? Make it difficult to them to have kids. Like in extremely difficult: in their visit to the biggest elf city it's said they only have 2 infants iirc (read this a long time ago).
You probably don't need to make it that difficult, but it's an easy resource to balance species.
Also you can make it so they take longer to mature, meaning they are child fairies a longer time, slowing the rate at which they can create a big army.
EDIT: you can use the same resource the other way around to balance other species that are dumber/weaker/more prone to war/whatever.. just make them extremely fertile.
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They are less fertile than humans
Like in they have a really hard time having little fairies. This resource is used in Eragon's elves: they live very long (immortal unless killed) and they are way stronger (in everything) than humans. How to balance the species? Make it difficult to them to have kids. Like in extremely difficult: in their visit to the biggest elf city it's said they only have 2 infants iirc (read this a long time ago).
You probably don't need to make it that difficult, but it's an easy resource to balance species.
Also you can make it so they take longer to mature, meaning they are child fairies a longer time, slowing the rate at which they can create a big army.
EDIT: you can use the same resource the other way around to balance other species that are dumber/weaker/more prone to war/whatever.. just make them extremely fertile.
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They are less fertile than humans
Like in they have a really hard time having little fairies. This resource is used in Eragon's elves: they live very long (immortal unless killed) and they are way stronger (in everything) than humans. How to balance the species? Make it difficult to them to have kids. Like in extremely difficult: in their visit to the biggest elf city it's said they only have 2 infants iirc (read this a long time ago).
You probably don't need to make it that difficult, but it's an easy resource to balance species.
Also you can make it so they take longer to mature, meaning they are child fairies a longer time, slowing the rate at which they can create a big army.
EDIT: you can use the same resource the other way around to balance other species that are dumber/weaker/more prone to war/whatever.. just make them extremely fertile.
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They are less fertile than humans
Like in they have a really hard time having little fairies. This resource is used in Eragon's elves: they live very long (immortal unless killed) and they are way stronger (in everything) than humans. How to balance the species? Make it difficult to them to have kids. Like in extremely difficult: in their visit to the biggest elf city it's said they only have 2 infants iirc (read this a long time ago).
You probably don't need to make it that difficult, but it's an easy resource to balance species.
Also you can make it so they take longer to mature, meaning they are child fairies a longer time, slowing the rate at which they can create a big army.
EDIT: you can use the same resource the other way around to balance other species that are dumber/weaker/more prone to war/whatever.. just make them extremely fertile.
answered Jan 22 at 11:19
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Calcium deficiency
Lightwings' zippy flight patterns are fine for soft tissues, but the high G-forces wreak havoc on their bones. Thus, these creatures require relatively very high levels of calcium intake. In fact, they reward other species younglings which leave calcium-rich teeth out for the fairies to collect.
It turns out that this need for calcium is the fairies' biological limiting factor. There can only be so many fairies as their are younglings to leave calcium deposits for them.
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Calcium deficiency
Lightwings' zippy flight patterns are fine for soft tissues, but the high G-forces wreak havoc on their bones. Thus, these creatures require relatively very high levels of calcium intake. In fact, they reward other species younglings which leave calcium-rich teeth out for the fairies to collect.
It turns out that this need for calcium is the fairies' biological limiting factor. There can only be so many fairies as their are younglings to leave calcium deposits for them.
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Calcium deficiency
Lightwings' zippy flight patterns are fine for soft tissues, but the high G-forces wreak havoc on their bones. Thus, these creatures require relatively very high levels of calcium intake. In fact, they reward other species younglings which leave calcium-rich teeth out for the fairies to collect.
It turns out that this need for calcium is the fairies' biological limiting factor. There can only be so many fairies as their are younglings to leave calcium deposits for them.
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Calcium deficiency
Lightwings' zippy flight patterns are fine for soft tissues, but the high G-forces wreak havoc on their bones. Thus, these creatures require relatively very high levels of calcium intake. In fact, they reward other species younglings which leave calcium-rich teeth out for the fairies to collect.
It turns out that this need for calcium is the fairies' biological limiting factor. There can only be so many fairies as their are younglings to leave calcium deposits for them.
answered Jan 22 at 13:52
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They're fascinated by bright lights, hence the name.
If your humans can survive the night, they'll find the entire Lightwing army staring stupidly at the sun, which is when most predators hunt for them.
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They're fascinated by bright lights, hence the name.
If your humans can survive the night, they'll find the entire Lightwing army staring stupidly at the sun, which is when most predators hunt for them.
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They're fascinated by bright lights, hence the name.
If your humans can survive the night, they'll find the entire Lightwing army staring stupidly at the sun, which is when most predators hunt for them.
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They're fascinated by bright lights, hence the name.
If your humans can survive the night, they'll find the entire Lightwing army staring stupidly at the sun, which is when most predators hunt for them.
answered Jan 21 at 16:45
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They are way less social than humans, large lightwing villages have around 20-30 individuals, whereas the smallest human communities typically, bands, range from 20-50 individuals. The typical human community in your setting are tribes with ~150 individuals.
An individual human and an individual lightwing are evenly matched, but a human community and a lightwing community are not, in most cases lightwings are at serious disadvantage.
This is not hard to achieve, if lightwings are less trusting, and only tend to congregate as immediate family they can't form the large groups humans can.
Alternatively if you still want to be somewhat social, their magic start to interfere with each other. If you get to many living to close their magic stops working, or at least becomes more and more unpredictable and problematic. So a lightwing family may be fine IN a large human community, but a large community of lightwings turns into a huge fight, or more likely it is so disruptive they immediately split into smaller communities.
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They are way less social than humans, large lightwing villages have around 20-30 individuals, whereas the smallest human communities typically, bands, range from 20-50 individuals. The typical human community in your setting are tribes with ~150 individuals.
An individual human and an individual lightwing are evenly matched, but a human community and a lightwing community are not, in most cases lightwings are at serious disadvantage.
This is not hard to achieve, if lightwings are less trusting, and only tend to congregate as immediate family they can't form the large groups humans can.
Alternatively if you still want to be somewhat social, their magic start to interfere with each other. If you get to many living to close their magic stops working, or at least becomes more and more unpredictable and problematic. So a lightwing family may be fine IN a large human community, but a large community of lightwings turns into a huge fight, or more likely it is so disruptive they immediately split into smaller communities.
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They are way less social than humans, large lightwing villages have around 20-30 individuals, whereas the smallest human communities typically, bands, range from 20-50 individuals. The typical human community in your setting are tribes with ~150 individuals.
An individual human and an individual lightwing are evenly matched, but a human community and a lightwing community are not, in most cases lightwings are at serious disadvantage.
This is not hard to achieve, if lightwings are less trusting, and only tend to congregate as immediate family they can't form the large groups humans can.
Alternatively if you still want to be somewhat social, their magic start to interfere with each other. If you get to many living to close their magic stops working, or at least becomes more and more unpredictable and problematic. So a lightwing family may be fine IN a large human community, but a large community of lightwings turns into a huge fight, or more likely it is so disruptive they immediately split into smaller communities.
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They are way less social than humans, large lightwing villages have around 20-30 individuals, whereas the smallest human communities typically, bands, range from 20-50 individuals. The typical human community in your setting are tribes with ~150 individuals.
An individual human and an individual lightwing are evenly matched, but a human community and a lightwing community are not, in most cases lightwings are at serious disadvantage.
This is not hard to achieve, if lightwings are less trusting, and only tend to congregate as immediate family they can't form the large groups humans can.
Alternatively if you still want to be somewhat social, their magic start to interfere with each other. If you get to many living to close their magic stops working, or at least becomes more and more unpredictable and problematic. So a lightwing family may be fine IN a large human community, but a large community of lightwings turns into a huge fight, or more likely it is so disruptive they immediately split into smaller communities.
answered Jan 21 at 16:55
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The easiest way is to limit their diet. Maybe they can only eat fruit (which goes bad rapidly and is more scarce in winter), or any one particular type of food. Maybe they can only eat raw meat, for instance, forcing them to hunt and making food storage essentially useless (but making a large sized rat a veritable feast). Even with lower-than-a-hummingbird metabolisms, restricted food sources could make being one less attractive.
Or you could limit them other ways. Such as, they don't eat at all but subsist off dew and sunlight (legends of fairies have suggested they once did). If that's the case then periods of dryness or dark could be very weakening to them. That would be a major factor in choosing to stay a lightwing, especially with only 7 days to become used to it. If night times forced a person to seek cover and hide because the longer the night went on the weaker they'd get, well, a lot of people wouldn't be happy with that sort of trade-off, no matter what power they had by day.
To someone used to always being strong, suddenly feeling great weakness would be a disorienting and frightening feeling, especially especially for someone who's sole focus is survival. Seven days isn't really enough time to get used to or adapt to such a thing either, so quite a number of people might Nope right out of their trial period and never look back.
Another limiting factor could be language--maybe lightwings speak only their own language and must relearn the dominant language, and even then may never speak it very well. This would mean families and friends may not be able to speak to one another, and that could be heavy factor in deciding.
Also, never underestimate "peer pressure." Choosing a form also means choosing other things. If a husband wants to be a lightwing but the wife wants to be an elf, they have a decision to make--separate as a couple or choose another form (unless they don't like sex). Or say the couple is fine with it but their child is stubbornly set on being an orc--how does a lightwing raise an orc? Or if all a child's friends are orcs, will they want to remain a lightwing? In this form they may rule at hide and seek, but they'll certainly never be part of a baseball game. Those sorts of peer group and familial pressures may drive a lot of people from the choice.
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The easiest way is to limit their diet. Maybe they can only eat fruit (which goes bad rapidly and is more scarce in winter), or any one particular type of food. Maybe they can only eat raw meat, for instance, forcing them to hunt and making food storage essentially useless (but making a large sized rat a veritable feast). Even with lower-than-a-hummingbird metabolisms, restricted food sources could make being one less attractive.
Or you could limit them other ways. Such as, they don't eat at all but subsist off dew and sunlight (legends of fairies have suggested they once did). If that's the case then periods of dryness or dark could be very weakening to them. That would be a major factor in choosing to stay a lightwing, especially with only 7 days to become used to it. If night times forced a person to seek cover and hide because the longer the night went on the weaker they'd get, well, a lot of people wouldn't be happy with that sort of trade-off, no matter what power they had by day.
To someone used to always being strong, suddenly feeling great weakness would be a disorienting and frightening feeling, especially especially for someone who's sole focus is survival. Seven days isn't really enough time to get used to or adapt to such a thing either, so quite a number of people might Nope right out of their trial period and never look back.
Another limiting factor could be language--maybe lightwings speak only their own language and must relearn the dominant language, and even then may never speak it very well. This would mean families and friends may not be able to speak to one another, and that could be heavy factor in deciding.
Also, never underestimate "peer pressure." Choosing a form also means choosing other things. If a husband wants to be a lightwing but the wife wants to be an elf, they have a decision to make--separate as a couple or choose another form (unless they don't like sex). Or say the couple is fine with it but their child is stubbornly set on being an orc--how does a lightwing raise an orc? Or if all a child's friends are orcs, will they want to remain a lightwing? In this form they may rule at hide and seek, but they'll certainly never be part of a baseball game. Those sorts of peer group and familial pressures may drive a lot of people from the choice.
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The easiest way is to limit their diet. Maybe they can only eat fruit (which goes bad rapidly and is more scarce in winter), or any one particular type of food. Maybe they can only eat raw meat, for instance, forcing them to hunt and making food storage essentially useless (but making a large sized rat a veritable feast). Even with lower-than-a-hummingbird metabolisms, restricted food sources could make being one less attractive.
Or you could limit them other ways. Such as, they don't eat at all but subsist off dew and sunlight (legends of fairies have suggested they once did). If that's the case then periods of dryness or dark could be very weakening to them. That would be a major factor in choosing to stay a lightwing, especially with only 7 days to become used to it. If night times forced a person to seek cover and hide because the longer the night went on the weaker they'd get, well, a lot of people wouldn't be happy with that sort of trade-off, no matter what power they had by day.
To someone used to always being strong, suddenly feeling great weakness would be a disorienting and frightening feeling, especially especially for someone who's sole focus is survival. Seven days isn't really enough time to get used to or adapt to such a thing either, so quite a number of people might Nope right out of their trial period and never look back.
Another limiting factor could be language--maybe lightwings speak only their own language and must relearn the dominant language, and even then may never speak it very well. This would mean families and friends may not be able to speak to one another, and that could be heavy factor in deciding.
Also, never underestimate "peer pressure." Choosing a form also means choosing other things. If a husband wants to be a lightwing but the wife wants to be an elf, they have a decision to make--separate as a couple or choose another form (unless they don't like sex). Or say the couple is fine with it but their child is stubbornly set on being an orc--how does a lightwing raise an orc? Or if all a child's friends are orcs, will they want to remain a lightwing? In this form they may rule at hide and seek, but they'll certainly never be part of a baseball game. Those sorts of peer group and familial pressures may drive a lot of people from the choice.
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The easiest way is to limit their diet. Maybe they can only eat fruit (which goes bad rapidly and is more scarce in winter), or any one particular type of food. Maybe they can only eat raw meat, for instance, forcing them to hunt and making food storage essentially useless (but making a large sized rat a veritable feast). Even with lower-than-a-hummingbird metabolisms, restricted food sources could make being one less attractive.
Or you could limit them other ways. Such as, they don't eat at all but subsist off dew and sunlight (legends of fairies have suggested they once did). If that's the case then periods of dryness or dark could be very weakening to them. That would be a major factor in choosing to stay a lightwing, especially with only 7 days to become used to it. If night times forced a person to seek cover and hide because the longer the night went on the weaker they'd get, well, a lot of people wouldn't be happy with that sort of trade-off, no matter what power they had by day.
To someone used to always being strong, suddenly feeling great weakness would be a disorienting and frightening feeling, especially especially for someone who's sole focus is survival. Seven days isn't really enough time to get used to or adapt to such a thing either, so quite a number of people might Nope right out of their trial period and never look back.
Another limiting factor could be language--maybe lightwings speak only their own language and must relearn the dominant language, and even then may never speak it very well. This would mean families and friends may not be able to speak to one another, and that could be heavy factor in deciding.
Also, never underestimate "peer pressure." Choosing a form also means choosing other things. If a husband wants to be a lightwing but the wife wants to be an elf, they have a decision to make--separate as a couple or choose another form (unless they don't like sex). Or say the couple is fine with it but their child is stubbornly set on being an orc--how does a lightwing raise an orc? Or if all a child's friends are orcs, will they want to remain a lightwing? In this form they may rule at hide and seek, but they'll certainly never be part of a baseball game. Those sorts of peer group and familial pressures may drive a lot of people from the choice.
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The desire to breed may be more of a social construct and less determined by environmental factors. A study living in a mouse utopia where the population was observed to collapse despite an abundance of food and space, even after the population had returned to previous numbers of successful growth, eventually continuing to fall until they all died out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7X-1V9nOs
One argument may be that due to the long-life and societal age of the fae races has led to a breakdown in the social behavior needed to grow a population.
A real-life parallel (although with entirely different factors) can be seen in Japan where the annual birthrate has fallen to the lowest in history and is continuing to decline, despite an abundance of wealth, food, prosperity, and relative safety from invaders as they have no immediate neighbors due to being an island nation.
It's interesting to try and speculate based on the obvious factors but both research and observation has shown that this is only a partial factor of population growth. Take the mcguffin of your choice and run with it. Sometimes the mundane can prove more interesting to the reader than a definitive reason. For example, you can take a failed study of your choice where certain unknown factors exist that lead to a collapse, providing similar parallels in your story, only to be understood by those familiar with such studies on societal collapse.
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The desire to breed may be more of a social construct and less determined by environmental factors. A study living in a mouse utopia where the population was observed to collapse despite an abundance of food and space, even after the population had returned to previous numbers of successful growth, eventually continuing to fall until they all died out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7X-1V9nOs
One argument may be that due to the long-life and societal age of the fae races has led to a breakdown in the social behavior needed to grow a population.
A real-life parallel (although with entirely different factors) can be seen in Japan where the annual birthrate has fallen to the lowest in history and is continuing to decline, despite an abundance of wealth, food, prosperity, and relative safety from invaders as they have no immediate neighbors due to being an island nation.
It's interesting to try and speculate based on the obvious factors but both research and observation has shown that this is only a partial factor of population growth. Take the mcguffin of your choice and run with it. Sometimes the mundane can prove more interesting to the reader than a definitive reason. For example, you can take a failed study of your choice where certain unknown factors exist that lead to a collapse, providing similar parallels in your story, only to be understood by those familiar with such studies on societal collapse.
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The desire to breed may be more of a social construct and less determined by environmental factors. A study living in a mouse utopia where the population was observed to collapse despite an abundance of food and space, even after the population had returned to previous numbers of successful growth, eventually continuing to fall until they all died out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7X-1V9nOs
One argument may be that due to the long-life and societal age of the fae races has led to a breakdown in the social behavior needed to grow a population.
A real-life parallel (although with entirely different factors) can be seen in Japan where the annual birthrate has fallen to the lowest in history and is continuing to decline, despite an abundance of wealth, food, prosperity, and relative safety from invaders as they have no immediate neighbors due to being an island nation.
It's interesting to try and speculate based on the obvious factors but both research and observation has shown that this is only a partial factor of population growth. Take the mcguffin of your choice and run with it. Sometimes the mundane can prove more interesting to the reader than a definitive reason. For example, you can take a failed study of your choice where certain unknown factors exist that lead to a collapse, providing similar parallels in your story, only to be understood by those familiar with such studies on societal collapse.
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The desire to breed may be more of a social construct and less determined by environmental factors. A study living in a mouse utopia where the population was observed to collapse despite an abundance of food and space, even after the population had returned to previous numbers of successful growth, eventually continuing to fall until they all died out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7X-1V9nOs
One argument may be that due to the long-life and societal age of the fae races has led to a breakdown in the social behavior needed to grow a population.
A real-life parallel (although with entirely different factors) can be seen in Japan where the annual birthrate has fallen to the lowest in history and is continuing to decline, despite an abundance of wealth, food, prosperity, and relative safety from invaders as they have no immediate neighbors due to being an island nation.
It's interesting to try and speculate based on the obvious factors but both research and observation has shown that this is only a partial factor of population growth. Take the mcguffin of your choice and run with it. Sometimes the mundane can prove more interesting to the reader than a definitive reason. For example, you can take a failed study of your choice where certain unknown factors exist that lead to a collapse, providing similar parallels in your story, only to be understood by those familiar with such studies on societal collapse.
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Dating is hard in the apocalypse
Sure they don't require as many resources to survive, but I'm assuming there's no more Tinder/OKCupid/etc in your apocalypse world, nor will there be fertility clinics/sperm banks/etc... Finding a life mate is hard enough even w/ all of the modern day resources available to us. After the fall populations are naturally going to be lower, and spread out more. And probably not a ton of people switched (assuming the option to do so was pre-apoc). If anything, any fantasy-race aside from humans is going to have a hard time maintaining a viable population increase unless their breeding cycle is much quicker.
Intraspecies bonding
Having once been human, there's a good chance your lightwings will still fall in love with humans, and vice versa. Especially if small groups have better survival odds in the wilderness cross-species teams will likely develop, including non-platonic relations (nevermind they won't be able to produce offspring).
The End of the world is no place to raise a baby
Many people (regardless of body form) will choose to forego children just because surviving the apocalypse requires so much resources that could be spent surviving. Add to this that since Lightwings are new, figuring out how everything works might not be an easy task. Even if they've got access to books, there's not likely to be any literature on their reproductive situation, nor on child rearing and there are probably vast differences in how a lightwing baby is raised from how a human one is. In fact some "expected" handling of lightwing babies may end up being lethal or injurious.
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Dating is hard in the apocalypse
Sure they don't require as many resources to survive, but I'm assuming there's no more Tinder/OKCupid/etc in your apocalypse world, nor will there be fertility clinics/sperm banks/etc... Finding a life mate is hard enough even w/ all of the modern day resources available to us. After the fall populations are naturally going to be lower, and spread out more. And probably not a ton of people switched (assuming the option to do so was pre-apoc). If anything, any fantasy-race aside from humans is going to have a hard time maintaining a viable population increase unless their breeding cycle is much quicker.
Intraspecies bonding
Having once been human, there's a good chance your lightwings will still fall in love with humans, and vice versa. Especially if small groups have better survival odds in the wilderness cross-species teams will likely develop, including non-platonic relations (nevermind they won't be able to produce offspring).
The End of the world is no place to raise a baby
Many people (regardless of body form) will choose to forego children just because surviving the apocalypse requires so much resources that could be spent surviving. Add to this that since Lightwings are new, figuring out how everything works might not be an easy task. Even if they've got access to books, there's not likely to be any literature on their reproductive situation, nor on child rearing and there are probably vast differences in how a lightwing baby is raised from how a human one is. In fact some "expected" handling of lightwing babies may end up being lethal or injurious.
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Dating is hard in the apocalypse
Sure they don't require as many resources to survive, but I'm assuming there's no more Tinder/OKCupid/etc in your apocalypse world, nor will there be fertility clinics/sperm banks/etc... Finding a life mate is hard enough even w/ all of the modern day resources available to us. After the fall populations are naturally going to be lower, and spread out more. And probably not a ton of people switched (assuming the option to do so was pre-apoc). If anything, any fantasy-race aside from humans is going to have a hard time maintaining a viable population increase unless their breeding cycle is much quicker.
Intraspecies bonding
Having once been human, there's a good chance your lightwings will still fall in love with humans, and vice versa. Especially if small groups have better survival odds in the wilderness cross-species teams will likely develop, including non-platonic relations (nevermind they won't be able to produce offspring).
The End of the world is no place to raise a baby
Many people (regardless of body form) will choose to forego children just because surviving the apocalypse requires so much resources that could be spent surviving. Add to this that since Lightwings are new, figuring out how everything works might not be an easy task. Even if they've got access to books, there's not likely to be any literature on their reproductive situation, nor on child rearing and there are probably vast differences in how a lightwing baby is raised from how a human one is. In fact some "expected" handling of lightwing babies may end up being lethal or injurious.
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Dating is hard in the apocalypse
Sure they don't require as many resources to survive, but I'm assuming there's no more Tinder/OKCupid/etc in your apocalypse world, nor will there be fertility clinics/sperm banks/etc... Finding a life mate is hard enough even w/ all of the modern day resources available to us. After the fall populations are naturally going to be lower, and spread out more. And probably not a ton of people switched (assuming the option to do so was pre-apoc). If anything, any fantasy-race aside from humans is going to have a hard time maintaining a viable population increase unless their breeding cycle is much quicker.
Intraspecies bonding
Having once been human, there's a good chance your lightwings will still fall in love with humans, and vice versa. Especially if small groups have better survival odds in the wilderness cross-species teams will likely develop, including non-platonic relations (nevermind they won't be able to produce offspring).
The End of the world is no place to raise a baby
Many people (regardless of body form) will choose to forego children just because surviving the apocalypse requires so much resources that could be spent surviving. Add to this that since Lightwings are new, figuring out how everything works might not be an easy task. Even if they've got access to books, there's not likely to be any literature on their reproductive situation, nor on child rearing and there are probably vast differences in how a lightwing baby is raised from how a human one is. In fact some "expected" handling of lightwing babies may end up being lethal or injurious.
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Lightwings get cancer really easily. Much more easily than humans. (Kind of the opposite of elephants who only rarely get cancer.) Since the apocalypse involved lots of radioactive things being splashed around, your Lightwings can only visit and live in very constrained areas. They can't even eat bananas. So you get little clusters of Lightwings living in the really nice, pristine areas, surrounded by species who are less vulnerable, but the outside species can't push in because the Lightwings out-breed them, and the Lightwings can't push out because of the radiation...and you get conflict on the borders.
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Lightwings get cancer really easily. Much more easily than humans. (Kind of the opposite of elephants who only rarely get cancer.) Since the apocalypse involved lots of radioactive things being splashed around, your Lightwings can only visit and live in very constrained areas. They can't even eat bananas. So you get little clusters of Lightwings living in the really nice, pristine areas, surrounded by species who are less vulnerable, but the outside species can't push in because the Lightwings out-breed them, and the Lightwings can't push out because of the radiation...and you get conflict on the borders.
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Lightwings get cancer really easily. Much more easily than humans. (Kind of the opposite of elephants who only rarely get cancer.) Since the apocalypse involved lots of radioactive things being splashed around, your Lightwings can only visit and live in very constrained areas. They can't even eat bananas. So you get little clusters of Lightwings living in the really nice, pristine areas, surrounded by species who are less vulnerable, but the outside species can't push in because the Lightwings out-breed them, and the Lightwings can't push out because of the radiation...and you get conflict on the borders.
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Lightwings get cancer really easily. Much more easily than humans. (Kind of the opposite of elephants who only rarely get cancer.) Since the apocalypse involved lots of radioactive things being splashed around, your Lightwings can only visit and live in very constrained areas. They can't even eat bananas. So you get little clusters of Lightwings living in the really nice, pristine areas, surrounded by species who are less vulnerable, but the outside species can't push in because the Lightwings out-breed them, and the Lightwings can't push out because of the radiation...and you get conflict on the borders.
answered Jan 22 at 15:40
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Are you writing a story or designing a video game? lol
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– jpmc26
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@jpmc26 Video games aren't the only media where you have to care about balance. If the story elements you're working with make no sense, then the reader has no solid grasp of stakes and you can't write an interesting fight scene. I can't declare something and then just willfully ignore the obvious methods of abusing that fact, especially not when my main character's a strategist who survives almost entirely due to coming up with clever ideas based in the logic of my world.
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– Jason Clyde
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I wouldn't recommend having your races all be equal in a fair fight. The aim should be that every race has a niche fighting style which makes it stronger in some aspects and weaker in others, rather than the end result of a so called "fair" fight be equal no matter what. For example, Orcs can be strong but stupid and fairies can be smart but weak. That way an orc can win a physical fight but a fairy can win a magical one.
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– Shadowzee
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Semi-relevant XKCD
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– Sebastian Lenartowicz
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This question has been flagged for closure for being primarily opinion-based. Looking at the number of answers as of this comment (24), I tend to agree. Examining the question again, I see no criteria by which to identify which answer best solves your problem. Voting to close.
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– Frostfyre
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