Find the center of mass of soda can?
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Help finding center of mass of soda can?
If you represent the soda can as a right-circular cylinder
radius=4 cm
height =12 cm
We are told to neglect the mass of the can itself.
When the can is full the center of mass is at 6cm above the base, halfway along the axis of the can.
As the can is drained and air replaces the soda, the center of mass descends towards the bottom.
However when the can is completely empty the center of mass is still at 6cm.
Assuming the density of soda is 1 gram per cubic cm and the density of air is 0.001 grams per cubic cm.
Find the depth of soda in the can for which the center of mass is at it's lowest point.
I am not sure where to begin, I was trying to think of this as a linear case where the fulcrum is at a point with masses on either end, but I am extremely lost.
Thank you for the help
multivariable-calculus
asked Nov 19 '14 at 4:36
SupermanSuperman
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Help finding center of mass of soda can?
If you represent the soda can as a right-circular cylinder
radius=4 cm
height =12 cm
We are told to neglect the mass of the can itself.
When the can is full the center of mass is at 6cm above the base, halfway along the axis of the can.
As the can is drained and air replaces the soda, the center of mass descends towards the bottom.
However when the can is completely empty the center of mass is still at 6cm.
Assuming the density of soda is 1 gram per cubic cm and the density of air is 0.001 grams per cubic cm.
Find the depth of soda in the can for which the center of mass is at it's lowest point.
I am not sure where to begin, I was trying to think of this as a linear case where the fulcrum is at a point with masses on either end, but I am extremely lost.
Thank you for the help
multivariable-calculus
asked Nov 19 '14 at 4:36
SupermanSuperman
254
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This isn't too difficult. Write an equation that shows you what the mass of the can is for any filled volume, i.e. allow the filled volume to change via the soda. Then, notice that the volume of the air filling the can as the soda decreases is inversely proportional, i.e. as the soda goes down the air goes up. The mass of the can itself never changes and therefore may be ignored. Find the balance point between the mass of the air and the mass of the soda -- the point where the mass of air and soda is the same. Could be solved in terms of torque, in Physics terms.
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– jm324354
Nov 19 '14 at 4:43
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Help finding center of mass of soda can?
If you represent the soda can as a right-circular cylinder
radius=4 cm
height =12 cm
We are told to neglect the mass of the can itself.
When the can is full the center of mass is at 6cm above the base, halfway along the axis of the can.
As the can is drained and air replaces the soda, the center of mass descends towards the bottom.
However when the can is completely empty the center of mass is still at 6cm.
Assuming the density of soda is 1 gram per cubic cm and the density of air is 0.001 grams per cubic cm.
Find the depth of soda in the can for which the center of mass is at it's lowest point.
I am not sure where to begin, I was trying to think of this as a linear case where the fulcrum is at a point with masses on either end, but I am extremely lost.
Thank you for the help
multivariable-calculus
asked Nov 19 '14 at 4:36
SupermanSuperman
254
$endgroup$
Help finding center of mass of soda can?
If you represent the soda can as a right-circular cylinder
radius=4 cm
height =12 cm
We are told to neglect the mass of the can itself.
When the can is full the center of mass is at 6cm above the base, halfway along the axis of the can.
As the can is drained and air replaces the soda, the center of mass descends towards the bottom.
However when the can is completely empty the center of mass is still at 6cm.
Assuming the density of soda is 1 gram per cubic cm and the density of air is 0.001 grams per cubic cm.
Find the depth of soda in the can for which the center of mass is at it's lowest point.
I am not sure where to begin, I was trying to think of this as a linear case where the fulcrum is at a point with masses on either end, but I am extremely lost.
Thank you for the help
multivariable-calculus
multivariable-calculus
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This isn't too difficult. Write an equation that shows you what the mass of the can is for any filled volume, i.e. allow the filled volume to change via the soda. Then, notice that the volume of the air filling the can as the soda decreases is inversely proportional, i.e. as the soda goes down the air goes up. The mass of the can itself never changes and therefore may be ignored. Find the balance point between the mass of the air and the mass of the soda -- the point where the mass of air and soda is the same. Could be solved in terms of torque, in Physics terms.
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– jm324354
Nov 19 '14 at 4:43
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This isn't too difficult. Write an equation that shows you what the mass of the can is for any filled volume, i.e. allow the filled volume to change via the soda. Then, notice that the volume of the air filling the can as the soda decreases is inversely proportional, i.e. as the soda goes down the air goes up. The mass of the can itself never changes and therefore may be ignored. Find the balance point between the mass of the air and the mass of the soda -- the point where the mass of air and soda is the same. Could be solved in terms of torque, in Physics terms.
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– jm324354
Nov 19 '14 at 4:43
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This isn't too difficult. Write an equation that shows you what the mass of the can is for any filled volume, i.e. allow the filled volume to change via the soda. Then, notice that the volume of the air filling the can as the soda decreases is inversely proportional, i.e. as the soda goes down the air goes up. The mass of the can itself never changes and therefore may be ignored. Find the balance point between the mass of the air and the mass of the soda -- the point where the mass of air and soda is the same. Could be solved in terms of torque, in Physics terms.
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– jm324354
Nov 19 '14 at 4:43
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This isn't too difficult. Write an equation that shows you what the mass of the can is for any filled volume, i.e. allow the filled volume to change via the soda. Then, notice that the volume of the air filling the can as the soda decreases is inversely proportional, i.e. as the soda goes down the air goes up. The mass of the can itself never changes and therefore may be ignored. Find the balance point between the mass of the air and the mass of the soda -- the point where the mass of air and soda is the same. Could be solved in terms of torque, in Physics terms.
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– jm324354
Nov 19 '14 at 4:43
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Denote by $m_s$ the mass of the remaining soda, by $c_s$ the $z$-coordinate of its center of gravity, similarly for the air in the can, and let $c_*$ be the $z$-coordinate of the overall centroid. Then $c_*$ can be computed from the moment equation
$$m_sc_s+m_ac_a=(m_s+m_a)c_* .tag{1}$$
In order to compute the quantities appearing in $(1)$ let $rho_a$ be the density of air and $rho_s=1000rho_a$ the density of soda. Furthermore let $h$ be the height of the can, $A$ the area of its circular base, and let $z:=t> h$ with $0leq tleq1$ be the level of the remaining soda. Then we have
$$m_s=rho_s t h A,quad c_s={1over2}th,quad m_a=rho_a(1-t)hA,quad c_a={1+tover 2}h .$$
Now plug this all into $(1)$ and solve for $c_*$. You will get an expression of the form
$$c_*=C f(t) ,$$
where all data of the problem can be collected into one constant $C$, and $f$ is a "pure" function of $t$. Now determine $argmin$ of $f$ in the interval $[0,1]$.
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
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So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
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– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
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No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
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– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
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why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
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– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
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See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
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– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
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Denote by $m_s$ the mass of the remaining soda, by $c_s$ the $z$-coordinate of its center of gravity, similarly for the air in the can, and let $c_*$ be the $z$-coordinate of the overall centroid. Then $c_*$ can be computed from the moment equation
$$m_sc_s+m_ac_a=(m_s+m_a)c_* .tag{1}$$
In order to compute the quantities appearing in $(1)$ let $rho_a$ be the density of air and $rho_s=1000rho_a$ the density of soda. Furthermore let $h$ be the height of the can, $A$ the area of its circular base, and let $z:=t> h$ with $0leq tleq1$ be the level of the remaining soda. Then we have
$$m_s=rho_s t h A,quad c_s={1over2}th,quad m_a=rho_a(1-t)hA,quad c_a={1+tover 2}h .$$
Now plug this all into $(1)$ and solve for $c_*$. You will get an expression of the form
$$c_*=C f(t) ,$$
where all data of the problem can be collected into one constant $C$, and $f$ is a "pure" function of $t$. Now determine $argmin$ of $f$ in the interval $[0,1]$.
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
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So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
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– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
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No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
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– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
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why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
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– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
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See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
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– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
add a comment |
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Denote by $m_s$ the mass of the remaining soda, by $c_s$ the $z$-coordinate of its center of gravity, similarly for the air in the can, and let $c_*$ be the $z$-coordinate of the overall centroid. Then $c_*$ can be computed from the moment equation
$$m_sc_s+m_ac_a=(m_s+m_a)c_* .tag{1}$$
In order to compute the quantities appearing in $(1)$ let $rho_a$ be the density of air and $rho_s=1000rho_a$ the density of soda. Furthermore let $h$ be the height of the can, $A$ the area of its circular base, and let $z:=t> h$ with $0leq tleq1$ be the level of the remaining soda. Then we have
$$m_s=rho_s t h A,quad c_s={1over2}th,quad m_a=rho_a(1-t)hA,quad c_a={1+tover 2}h .$$
Now plug this all into $(1)$ and solve for $c_*$. You will get an expression of the form
$$c_*=C f(t) ,$$
where all data of the problem can be collected into one constant $C$, and $f$ is a "pure" function of $t$. Now determine $argmin$ of $f$ in the interval $[0,1]$.
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
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So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
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No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
$begingroup$
why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
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– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
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See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Denote by $m_s$ the mass of the remaining soda, by $c_s$ the $z$-coordinate of its center of gravity, similarly for the air in the can, and let $c_*$ be the $z$-coordinate of the overall centroid. Then $c_*$ can be computed from the moment equation
$$m_sc_s+m_ac_a=(m_s+m_a)c_* .tag{1}$$
In order to compute the quantities appearing in $(1)$ let $rho_a$ be the density of air and $rho_s=1000rho_a$ the density of soda. Furthermore let $h$ be the height of the can, $A$ the area of its circular base, and let $z:=t> h$ with $0leq tleq1$ be the level of the remaining soda. Then we have
$$m_s=rho_s t h A,quad c_s={1over2}th,quad m_a=rho_a(1-t)hA,quad c_a={1+tover 2}h .$$
Now plug this all into $(1)$ and solve for $c_*$. You will get an expression of the form
$$c_*=C f(t) ,$$
where all data of the problem can be collected into one constant $C$, and $f$ is a "pure" function of $t$. Now determine $argmin$ of $f$ in the interval $[0,1]$.
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
$endgroup$
Denote by $m_s$ the mass of the remaining soda, by $c_s$ the $z$-coordinate of its center of gravity, similarly for the air in the can, and let $c_*$ be the $z$-coordinate of the overall centroid. Then $c_*$ can be computed from the moment equation
$$m_sc_s+m_ac_a=(m_s+m_a)c_* .tag{1}$$
In order to compute the quantities appearing in $(1)$ let $rho_a$ be the density of air and $rho_s=1000rho_a$ the density of soda. Furthermore let $h$ be the height of the can, $A$ the area of its circular base, and let $z:=t> h$ with $0leq tleq1$ be the level of the remaining soda. Then we have
$$m_s=rho_s t h A,quad c_s={1over2}th,quad m_a=rho_a(1-t)hA,quad c_a={1+tover 2}h .$$
Now plug this all into $(1)$ and solve for $c_*$. You will get an expression of the form
$$c_*=C f(t) ,$$
where all data of the problem can be collected into one constant $C$, and $f$ is a "pure" function of $t$. Now determine $argmin$ of $f$ in the interval $[0,1]$.
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
answered Nov 19 '14 at 11:35
Christian BlatterChristian Blatter
174k8115327
174k8115327
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So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
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– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
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No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
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– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
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why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
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See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
add a comment |
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So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
$begingroup$
No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
$begingroup$
why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
$begingroup$
See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
$begingroup$
So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
$begingroup$
So after I plug in all these into (1) I should get a function f(t) that I integrate with respect to t from 0 to 1?
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 11:50
$begingroup$
No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
$begingroup$
No. You should find out for which $t_*in[0,1]$ the function $f$ achieves its minimum.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:10
$begingroup$
why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
$begingroup$
why is it 0≤t≤1 I don't get where you find this from
$endgroup$
– Superman
Nov 19 '14 at 12:13
$begingroup$
See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
$begingroup$
See were $t$ was introduced. The variable $t$ denotes the fraction of soda that is remaining.
$endgroup$
– Christian Blatter
Nov 19 '14 at 12:27
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This isn't too difficult. Write an equation that shows you what the mass of the can is for any filled volume, i.e. allow the filled volume to change via the soda. Then, notice that the volume of the air filling the can as the soda decreases is inversely proportional, i.e. as the soda goes down the air goes up. The mass of the can itself never changes and therefore may be ignored. Find the balance point between the mass of the air and the mass of the soda -- the point where the mass of air and soda is the same. Could be solved in terms of torque, in Physics terms.
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– jm324354
Nov 19 '14 at 4:43