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So in my second year thermodynamics class we are currently talking about entropy and deriving its definition from the 1st law.



$$mathrm{d}q_{rev} = dU - dw_{rev}$$
$$= C_{V}(T)dT + PdV$$
$$= C_{V}(T)dT + frac{nRT}{V}dV$$



And then it just says since the mixed second partial derivatives aren't equal, i.e.



$$(frac{delta Cv(T)}{delta V})_T neq (frac{delta(frac{nRT}{V})}{delta T})_V$$ dq is not an exact differential (no proof of this is given). It then stipulates by dividing both sides of the equation by T



$$frac{mathrm{d}q_{rev}}{T} = frac{C_{V}(T)}{T}dT + frac{nR}{V}dV$$
suddenly it becomes an exact differential because



$$(frac{delta Cv(T)/T}{delta V})_T = (frac{delta(frac{nR}{V})}{delta T})_V$$
Can anybody give me a proof of this with calculus because my textbook gives 0 proof whatsoever and it irks me because I want to understand the theory underlying this. Thanks!










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    So in my second year thermodynamics class we are currently talking about entropy and deriving its definition from the 1st law.



    $$mathrm{d}q_{rev} = dU - dw_{rev}$$
    $$= C_{V}(T)dT + PdV$$
    $$= C_{V}(T)dT + frac{nRT}{V}dV$$



    And then it just says since the mixed second partial derivatives aren't equal, i.e.



    $$(frac{delta Cv(T)}{delta V})_T neq (frac{delta(frac{nRT}{V})}{delta T})_V$$ dq is not an exact differential (no proof of this is given). It then stipulates by dividing both sides of the equation by T



    $$frac{mathrm{d}q_{rev}}{T} = frac{C_{V}(T)}{T}dT + frac{nR}{V}dV$$
    suddenly it becomes an exact differential because



    $$(frac{delta Cv(T)/T}{delta V})_T = (frac{delta(frac{nR}{V})}{delta T})_V$$
    Can anybody give me a proof of this with calculus because my textbook gives 0 proof whatsoever and it irks me because I want to understand the theory underlying this. Thanks!










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      So in my second year thermodynamics class we are currently talking about entropy and deriving its definition from the 1st law.



      $$mathrm{d}q_{rev} = dU - dw_{rev}$$
      $$= C_{V}(T)dT + PdV$$
      $$= C_{V}(T)dT + frac{nRT}{V}dV$$



      And then it just says since the mixed second partial derivatives aren't equal, i.e.



      $$(frac{delta Cv(T)}{delta V})_T neq (frac{delta(frac{nRT}{V})}{delta T})_V$$ dq is not an exact differential (no proof of this is given). It then stipulates by dividing both sides of the equation by T



      $$frac{mathrm{d}q_{rev}}{T} = frac{C_{V}(T)}{T}dT + frac{nR}{V}dV$$
      suddenly it becomes an exact differential because



      $$(frac{delta Cv(T)/T}{delta V})_T = (frac{delta(frac{nR}{V})}{delta T})_V$$
      Can anybody give me a proof of this with calculus because my textbook gives 0 proof whatsoever and it irks me because I want to understand the theory underlying this. Thanks!










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      So in my second year thermodynamics class we are currently talking about entropy and deriving its definition from the 1st law.



      $$mathrm{d}q_{rev} = dU - dw_{rev}$$
      $$= C_{V}(T)dT + PdV$$
      $$= C_{V}(T)dT + frac{nRT}{V}dV$$



      And then it just says since the mixed second partial derivatives aren't equal, i.e.



      $$(frac{delta Cv(T)}{delta V})_T neq (frac{delta(frac{nRT}{V})}{delta T})_V$$ dq is not an exact differential (no proof of this is given). It then stipulates by dividing both sides of the equation by T



      $$frac{mathrm{d}q_{rev}}{T} = frac{C_{V}(T)}{T}dT + frac{nR}{V}dV$$
      suddenly it becomes an exact differential because



      $$(frac{delta Cv(T)/T}{delta V})_T = (frac{delta(frac{nR}{V})}{delta T})_V$$
      Can anybody give me a proof of this with calculus because my textbook gives 0 proof whatsoever and it irks me because I want to understand the theory underlying this. Thanks!







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          These statements can be proved in general i.e. irrespective of whether you take your system as ideal gas or not. As you have used in the question $PV = nRT$, you inherently assuming that your system of thermodynamic interest is an ideal gas. So, let's first prove this for an ideal gas and then do the general proof.



          $textbf{Case I : Ideal Gas}$



          For an ideal gas, $C_V(T)$ is independent of volume $V$, which means that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. (We will prove the general relation in the next section, and this statement will be obvious from that proof. ), But on the other hand $big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V = frac{nR}{V}$ by simple partial derivative. So, thus you get the proof that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T neq big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V$. Thus $delta q_{rev}$ is not an exact differential.



          On the other hand if you divide both sides by $T$, you still have, $big(frac{partial (C_V(T)/T)}{partial V}big)_T = frac{1}{T}big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. And also on the other hand you have, $big(frac{partial (nR /V)}{partial T}big)_V = -frac{nR}{V^2}big(frac{partial V}{partial T}big)_V = 0$ (obviously, as we are taking partial derivative of a constant term. Thus, by the equality of mixed partial derivatives of $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ it becomes exact differential.



          $textbf{Case II : General System}$



          For general system we have, $delta q_{rev} = dU +PdV$. But remember we can't write, $dU = C_V(T) dT $ and $PV =nRT$. We have to write $dU = C_V(T)dT + big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T dV$ .



          So, now we have $delta q_{rev} = C_V(T)dT + Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig)dV $.



          Also, from the definition of Helmholtz free energy ($A = U - TS $ and $dA = -SdT -PdV$) and by using Maxwell's relation it can be shown that $Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig) = T big(frac{partial P}{partial T}big)_V$



          Now, it can be shown properly that
          $$left(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}right)_T = frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = T left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V qquad(= 0text{ if } PV=nRT)tag{i} $$
          $$left(frac{partial (frac{C_V(T)}{T})}{partial V}right)_T = frac{1}{T} frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V tag{ii}$$
          and for the right hand side
          $$frac{partial}{partial T}Bigg(TBig(frac{partial P}{partial T}Big)_VBigg)_V = TBig(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}Big)_V + left(frac{partial P}{partial T}right)_Vtag{iii}$$
          and if you divide the right side by $T$ and then check the partial derivative criterion, you will ultimately get $Big(frac{partial^2 P}{partial
          T^2}Big)_V$
          on the r.h.s also (exactly same as $(ii)$ ) , But note that, $(i) neq (iii) $. Thus $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ will become exact differntial but $delta q_{rev}$ will remain inexact.






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            These statements can be proved in general i.e. irrespective of whether you take your system as ideal gas or not. As you have used in the question $PV = nRT$, you inherently assuming that your system of thermodynamic interest is an ideal gas. So, let's first prove this for an ideal gas and then do the general proof.



            $textbf{Case I : Ideal Gas}$



            For an ideal gas, $C_V(T)$ is independent of volume $V$, which means that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. (We will prove the general relation in the next section, and this statement will be obvious from that proof. ), But on the other hand $big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V = frac{nR}{V}$ by simple partial derivative. So, thus you get the proof that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T neq big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V$. Thus $delta q_{rev}$ is not an exact differential.



            On the other hand if you divide both sides by $T$, you still have, $big(frac{partial (C_V(T)/T)}{partial V}big)_T = frac{1}{T}big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. And also on the other hand you have, $big(frac{partial (nR /V)}{partial T}big)_V = -frac{nR}{V^2}big(frac{partial V}{partial T}big)_V = 0$ (obviously, as we are taking partial derivative of a constant term. Thus, by the equality of mixed partial derivatives of $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ it becomes exact differential.



            $textbf{Case II : General System}$



            For general system we have, $delta q_{rev} = dU +PdV$. But remember we can't write, $dU = C_V(T) dT $ and $PV =nRT$. We have to write $dU = C_V(T)dT + big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T dV$ .



            So, now we have $delta q_{rev} = C_V(T)dT + Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig)dV $.



            Also, from the definition of Helmholtz free energy ($A = U - TS $ and $dA = -SdT -PdV$) and by using Maxwell's relation it can be shown that $Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig) = T big(frac{partial P}{partial T}big)_V$



            Now, it can be shown properly that
            $$left(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}right)_T = frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = T left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V qquad(= 0text{ if } PV=nRT)tag{i} $$
            $$left(frac{partial (frac{C_V(T)}{T})}{partial V}right)_T = frac{1}{T} frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V tag{ii}$$
            and for the right hand side
            $$frac{partial}{partial T}Bigg(TBig(frac{partial P}{partial T}Big)_VBigg)_V = TBig(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}Big)_V + left(frac{partial P}{partial T}right)_Vtag{iii}$$
            and if you divide the right side by $T$ and then check the partial derivative criterion, you will ultimately get $Big(frac{partial^2 P}{partial
            T^2}Big)_V$
            on the r.h.s also (exactly same as $(ii)$ ) , But note that, $(i) neq (iii) $. Thus $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ will become exact differntial but $delta q_{rev}$ will remain inexact.






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              These statements can be proved in general i.e. irrespective of whether you take your system as ideal gas or not. As you have used in the question $PV = nRT$, you inherently assuming that your system of thermodynamic interest is an ideal gas. So, let's first prove this for an ideal gas and then do the general proof.



              $textbf{Case I : Ideal Gas}$



              For an ideal gas, $C_V(T)$ is independent of volume $V$, which means that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. (We will prove the general relation in the next section, and this statement will be obvious from that proof. ), But on the other hand $big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V = frac{nR}{V}$ by simple partial derivative. So, thus you get the proof that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T neq big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V$. Thus $delta q_{rev}$ is not an exact differential.



              On the other hand if you divide both sides by $T$, you still have, $big(frac{partial (C_V(T)/T)}{partial V}big)_T = frac{1}{T}big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. And also on the other hand you have, $big(frac{partial (nR /V)}{partial T}big)_V = -frac{nR}{V^2}big(frac{partial V}{partial T}big)_V = 0$ (obviously, as we are taking partial derivative of a constant term. Thus, by the equality of mixed partial derivatives of $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ it becomes exact differential.



              $textbf{Case II : General System}$



              For general system we have, $delta q_{rev} = dU +PdV$. But remember we can't write, $dU = C_V(T) dT $ and $PV =nRT$. We have to write $dU = C_V(T)dT + big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T dV$ .



              So, now we have $delta q_{rev} = C_V(T)dT + Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig)dV $.



              Also, from the definition of Helmholtz free energy ($A = U - TS $ and $dA = -SdT -PdV$) and by using Maxwell's relation it can be shown that $Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig) = T big(frac{partial P}{partial T}big)_V$



              Now, it can be shown properly that
              $$left(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}right)_T = frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = T left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V qquad(= 0text{ if } PV=nRT)tag{i} $$
              $$left(frac{partial (frac{C_V(T)}{T})}{partial V}right)_T = frac{1}{T} frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V tag{ii}$$
              and for the right hand side
              $$frac{partial}{partial T}Bigg(TBig(frac{partial P}{partial T}Big)_VBigg)_V = TBig(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}Big)_V + left(frac{partial P}{partial T}right)_Vtag{iii}$$
              and if you divide the right side by $T$ and then check the partial derivative criterion, you will ultimately get $Big(frac{partial^2 P}{partial
              T^2}Big)_V$
              on the r.h.s also (exactly same as $(ii)$ ) , But note that, $(i) neq (iii) $. Thus $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ will become exact differntial but $delta q_{rev}$ will remain inexact.






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                These statements can be proved in general i.e. irrespective of whether you take your system as ideal gas or not. As you have used in the question $PV = nRT$, you inherently assuming that your system of thermodynamic interest is an ideal gas. So, let's first prove this for an ideal gas and then do the general proof.



                $textbf{Case I : Ideal Gas}$



                For an ideal gas, $C_V(T)$ is independent of volume $V$, which means that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. (We will prove the general relation in the next section, and this statement will be obvious from that proof. ), But on the other hand $big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V = frac{nR}{V}$ by simple partial derivative. So, thus you get the proof that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T neq big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V$. Thus $delta q_{rev}$ is not an exact differential.



                On the other hand if you divide both sides by $T$, you still have, $big(frac{partial (C_V(T)/T)}{partial V}big)_T = frac{1}{T}big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. And also on the other hand you have, $big(frac{partial (nR /V)}{partial T}big)_V = -frac{nR}{V^2}big(frac{partial V}{partial T}big)_V = 0$ (obviously, as we are taking partial derivative of a constant term. Thus, by the equality of mixed partial derivatives of $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ it becomes exact differential.



                $textbf{Case II : General System}$



                For general system we have, $delta q_{rev} = dU +PdV$. But remember we can't write, $dU = C_V(T) dT $ and $PV =nRT$. We have to write $dU = C_V(T)dT + big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T dV$ .



                So, now we have $delta q_{rev} = C_V(T)dT + Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig)dV $.



                Also, from the definition of Helmholtz free energy ($A = U - TS $ and $dA = -SdT -PdV$) and by using Maxwell's relation it can be shown that $Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig) = T big(frac{partial P}{partial T}big)_V$



                Now, it can be shown properly that
                $$left(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}right)_T = frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = T left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V qquad(= 0text{ if } PV=nRT)tag{i} $$
                $$left(frac{partial (frac{C_V(T)}{T})}{partial V}right)_T = frac{1}{T} frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V tag{ii}$$
                and for the right hand side
                $$frac{partial}{partial T}Bigg(TBig(frac{partial P}{partial T}Big)_VBigg)_V = TBig(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}Big)_V + left(frac{partial P}{partial T}right)_Vtag{iii}$$
                and if you divide the right side by $T$ and then check the partial derivative criterion, you will ultimately get $Big(frac{partial^2 P}{partial
                T^2}Big)_V$
                on the r.h.s also (exactly same as $(ii)$ ) , But note that, $(i) neq (iii) $. Thus $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ will become exact differntial but $delta q_{rev}$ will remain inexact.






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                These statements can be proved in general i.e. irrespective of whether you take your system as ideal gas or not. As you have used in the question $PV = nRT$, you inherently assuming that your system of thermodynamic interest is an ideal gas. So, let's first prove this for an ideal gas and then do the general proof.



                $textbf{Case I : Ideal Gas}$



                For an ideal gas, $C_V(T)$ is independent of volume $V$, which means that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. (We will prove the general relation in the next section, and this statement will be obvious from that proof. ), But on the other hand $big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V = frac{nR}{V}$ by simple partial derivative. So, thus you get the proof that $big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T neq big(frac{partial (nR T/V)}{partial T}big)_V$. Thus $delta q_{rev}$ is not an exact differential.



                On the other hand if you divide both sides by $T$, you still have, $big(frac{partial (C_V(T)/T)}{partial V}big)_T = frac{1}{T}big(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}big)_T =0$. And also on the other hand you have, $big(frac{partial (nR /V)}{partial T}big)_V = -frac{nR}{V^2}big(frac{partial V}{partial T}big)_V = 0$ (obviously, as we are taking partial derivative of a constant term. Thus, by the equality of mixed partial derivatives of $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ it becomes exact differential.



                $textbf{Case II : General System}$



                For general system we have, $delta q_{rev} = dU +PdV$. But remember we can't write, $dU = C_V(T) dT $ and $PV =nRT$. We have to write $dU = C_V(T)dT + big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T dV$ .



                So, now we have $delta q_{rev} = C_V(T)dT + Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig)dV $.



                Also, from the definition of Helmholtz free energy ($A = U - TS $ and $dA = -SdT -PdV$) and by using Maxwell's relation it can be shown that $Big(big(frac{partial U}{partial V}big)_T + PBig) = T big(frac{partial P}{partial T}big)_V$



                Now, it can be shown properly that
                $$left(frac{partial C_V(T)}{partial V}right)_T = frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = T left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V qquad(= 0text{ if } PV=nRT)tag{i} $$
                $$left(frac{partial (frac{C_V(T)}{T})}{partial V}right)_T = frac{1}{T} frac{partial^2 U}{partial T partial V} = left(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}right)_V tag{ii}$$
                and for the right hand side
                $$frac{partial}{partial T}Bigg(TBig(frac{partial P}{partial T}Big)_VBigg)_V = TBig(frac{partial^2 P}{partial T^2}Big)_V + left(frac{partial P}{partial T}right)_Vtag{iii}$$
                and if you divide the right side by $T$ and then check the partial derivative criterion, you will ultimately get $Big(frac{partial^2 P}{partial
                T^2}Big)_V$
                on the r.h.s also (exactly same as $(ii)$ ) , But note that, $(i) neq (iii) $. Thus $frac{delta q_{rev}}{T}$ will become exact differntial but $delta q_{rev}$ will remain inexact.







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