Why are two definitions of ellipses equivalent?












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In classical geometry an ellipse is usually defined as the locus of points in the plane such that the distances from each point to the two foci have a given sum.



When we speak of an ellipse analytically, we usually describe it as a circle that has been squashed in one direction, i.e. something similar to the curve $x^2+(y/b)^2 = 1$.



"Everyone knows" that these two definitions yield the same family of shapes. But how can that be proved?










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    I needed this fact when answering this question, but we don't seem to have a question specifically for this basic fact. My first attempt at proving it by mindless formula-crunching led me horribly astray, so it seems to be useful to have a way that works written down explicitly.
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    I'm interested in getting more answers to this, especially various intuitive explanations. Is it okay with you if I edit this question into a big-list question asking for more answers?
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    – Tanner Swett
    Apr 7 '17 at 3:05






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    3Blue1Brown recently posted a video giving a beautiful geometric proof of the relationship between the 3 most common descriptions of ellipses.
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$begingroup$


In classical geometry an ellipse is usually defined as the locus of points in the plane such that the distances from each point to the two foci have a given sum.



When we speak of an ellipse analytically, we usually describe it as a circle that has been squashed in one direction, i.e. something similar to the curve $x^2+(y/b)^2 = 1$.



"Everyone knows" that these two definitions yield the same family of shapes. But how can that be proved?










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  • $begingroup$
    I needed this fact when answering this question, but we don't seem to have a question specifically for this basic fact. My first attempt at proving it by mindless formula-crunching led me horribly astray, so it seems to be useful to have a way that works written down explicitly.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Oct 29 '13 at 10:29










  • $begingroup$
    I'm interested in getting more answers to this, especially various intuitive explanations. Is it okay with you if I edit this question into a big-list question asking for more answers?
    $endgroup$
    – Tanner Swett
    Apr 7 '17 at 3:05






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    3Blue1Brown recently posted a video giving a beautiful geometric proof of the relationship between the 3 most common descriptions of ellipses.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Sinclair
    Jan 4 at 0:38
















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$begingroup$


In classical geometry an ellipse is usually defined as the locus of points in the plane such that the distances from each point to the two foci have a given sum.



When we speak of an ellipse analytically, we usually describe it as a circle that has been squashed in one direction, i.e. something similar to the curve $x^2+(y/b)^2 = 1$.



"Everyone knows" that these two definitions yield the same family of shapes. But how can that be proved?










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In classical geometry an ellipse is usually defined as the locus of points in the plane such that the distances from each point to the two foci have a given sum.



When we speak of an ellipse analytically, we usually describe it as a circle that has been squashed in one direction, i.e. something similar to the curve $x^2+(y/b)^2 = 1$.



"Everyone knows" that these two definitions yield the same family of shapes. But how can that be proved?







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  • $begingroup$
    I needed this fact when answering this question, but we don't seem to have a question specifically for this basic fact. My first attempt at proving it by mindless formula-crunching led me horribly astray, so it seems to be useful to have a way that works written down explicitly.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Oct 29 '13 at 10:29










  • $begingroup$
    I'm interested in getting more answers to this, especially various intuitive explanations. Is it okay with you if I edit this question into a big-list question asking for more answers?
    $endgroup$
    – Tanner Swett
    Apr 7 '17 at 3:05






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    3Blue1Brown recently posted a video giving a beautiful geometric proof of the relationship between the 3 most common descriptions of ellipses.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Sinclair
    Jan 4 at 0:38




















  • $begingroup$
    I needed this fact when answering this question, but we don't seem to have a question specifically for this basic fact. My first attempt at proving it by mindless formula-crunching led me horribly astray, so it seems to be useful to have a way that works written down explicitly.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Oct 29 '13 at 10:29










  • $begingroup$
    I'm interested in getting more answers to this, especially various intuitive explanations. Is it okay with you if I edit this question into a big-list question asking for more answers?
    $endgroup$
    – Tanner Swett
    Apr 7 '17 at 3:05






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    3Blue1Brown recently posted a video giving a beautiful geometric proof of the relationship between the 3 most common descriptions of ellipses.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Sinclair
    Jan 4 at 0:38


















$begingroup$
I needed this fact when answering this question, but we don't seem to have a question specifically for this basic fact. My first attempt at proving it by mindless formula-crunching led me horribly astray, so it seems to be useful to have a way that works written down explicitly.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
Oct 29 '13 at 10:29




$begingroup$
I needed this fact when answering this question, but we don't seem to have a question specifically for this basic fact. My first attempt at proving it by mindless formula-crunching led me horribly astray, so it seems to be useful to have a way that works written down explicitly.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
Oct 29 '13 at 10:29












$begingroup$
I'm interested in getting more answers to this, especially various intuitive explanations. Is it okay with you if I edit this question into a big-list question asking for more answers?
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
Apr 7 '17 at 3:05




$begingroup$
I'm interested in getting more answers to this, especially various intuitive explanations. Is it okay with you if I edit this question into a big-list question asking for more answers?
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
Apr 7 '17 at 3:05




1




1




$begingroup$
3Blue1Brown recently posted a video giving a beautiful geometric proof of the relationship between the 3 most common descriptions of ellipses.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Jan 4 at 0:38






$begingroup$
3Blue1Brown recently posted a video giving a beautiful geometric proof of the relationship between the 3 most common descriptions of ellipses.
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– Paul Sinclair
Jan 4 at 0:38












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Suppose we have a classical ellipse with its two foci and major axis given. We want to prove that it's a squashed circle.



Select a coordinate system with its origin in the center if the ellipse, the $x$-axis passing through the foci, and a scale such that the common sum-of-distances-to-the-foci is $2$. The foci have coordinates $(pm c,0)$ for some $cin[0,1)$.



By considering the nodes at the end of the minor axis we find that the semiminor axis of the ellipse must be $b=sqrt{1-c^2}$. We must then prove that the equations
$$ tag{1} x^2 + left(frac{y}{sqrt{1-c^2}}right)^2 = 1 $$
$$ tag{2} sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2} + sqrt{(x-c)^2+y^2} = 2 $$
are equivalent.



Rearranging (1) gives
$$tag{1'} y^2 = (1-c^2)(1-x^2) $$
and therefore $(x+c)^2+y^2 = (1+xc)^2$ by multiplying out each side and collecting terms. Similarly, $(x-c)^2+y^2=(1-xc)^2$. So for points where (1) holds, (2) reduces to $(1+xc)+(1-xc)=2$, which is of course true.



Thus every solution of (1) is a solution of (2). On the other hand, for every fixed $xin(-1,1)$, it is clear that the left-hand-side of (2) increases monotonically with $|y|$ so it can have at most two solutions, which must then be exactly the two solutions for $y$ we get from (1'). (And neither equation has solutions with $|x|>1$). So the equations are indeed equivalent.





Conversely, if we have a squashed circle with major and minor axes $2a$ and $2b$, we can find the focal distance $2c$ by $c^2+b^2=a^2$ and locate the foci on the major axis. Then the above argument shows that the classical ellipse with these foci coincides with our squashed circle.






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    Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
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    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 5 at 18:51












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    @JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 6 at 14:38










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    Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
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    Jan 6 at 15:30











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$begingroup$

Suppose we have a classical ellipse with its two foci and major axis given. We want to prove that it's a squashed circle.



Select a coordinate system with its origin in the center if the ellipse, the $x$-axis passing through the foci, and a scale such that the common sum-of-distances-to-the-foci is $2$. The foci have coordinates $(pm c,0)$ for some $cin[0,1)$.



By considering the nodes at the end of the minor axis we find that the semiminor axis of the ellipse must be $b=sqrt{1-c^2}$. We must then prove that the equations
$$ tag{1} x^2 + left(frac{y}{sqrt{1-c^2}}right)^2 = 1 $$
$$ tag{2} sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2} + sqrt{(x-c)^2+y^2} = 2 $$
are equivalent.



Rearranging (1) gives
$$tag{1'} y^2 = (1-c^2)(1-x^2) $$
and therefore $(x+c)^2+y^2 = (1+xc)^2$ by multiplying out each side and collecting terms. Similarly, $(x-c)^2+y^2=(1-xc)^2$. So for points where (1) holds, (2) reduces to $(1+xc)+(1-xc)=2$, which is of course true.



Thus every solution of (1) is a solution of (2). On the other hand, for every fixed $xin(-1,1)$, it is clear that the left-hand-side of (2) increases monotonically with $|y|$ so it can have at most two solutions, which must then be exactly the two solutions for $y$ we get from (1'). (And neither equation has solutions with $|x|>1$). So the equations are indeed equivalent.





Conversely, if we have a squashed circle with major and minor axes $2a$ and $2b$, we can find the focal distance $2c$ by $c^2+b^2=a^2$ and locate the foci on the major axis. Then the above argument shows that the classical ellipse with these foci coincides with our squashed circle.






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  • $begingroup$
    Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
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    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 5 at 18:51












  • $begingroup$
    @JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 6 at 14:38










  • $begingroup$
    Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 6 at 15:30
















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$begingroup$

Suppose we have a classical ellipse with its two foci and major axis given. We want to prove that it's a squashed circle.



Select a coordinate system with its origin in the center if the ellipse, the $x$-axis passing through the foci, and a scale such that the common sum-of-distances-to-the-foci is $2$. The foci have coordinates $(pm c,0)$ for some $cin[0,1)$.



By considering the nodes at the end of the minor axis we find that the semiminor axis of the ellipse must be $b=sqrt{1-c^2}$. We must then prove that the equations
$$ tag{1} x^2 + left(frac{y}{sqrt{1-c^2}}right)^2 = 1 $$
$$ tag{2} sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2} + sqrt{(x-c)^2+y^2} = 2 $$
are equivalent.



Rearranging (1) gives
$$tag{1'} y^2 = (1-c^2)(1-x^2) $$
and therefore $(x+c)^2+y^2 = (1+xc)^2$ by multiplying out each side and collecting terms. Similarly, $(x-c)^2+y^2=(1-xc)^2$. So for points where (1) holds, (2) reduces to $(1+xc)+(1-xc)=2$, which is of course true.



Thus every solution of (1) is a solution of (2). On the other hand, for every fixed $xin(-1,1)$, it is clear that the left-hand-side of (2) increases monotonically with $|y|$ so it can have at most two solutions, which must then be exactly the two solutions for $y$ we get from (1'). (And neither equation has solutions with $|x|>1$). So the equations are indeed equivalent.





Conversely, if we have a squashed circle with major and minor axes $2a$ and $2b$, we can find the focal distance $2c$ by $c^2+b^2=a^2$ and locate the foci on the major axis. Then the above argument shows that the classical ellipse with these foci coincides with our squashed circle.






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  • $begingroup$
    Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 5 at 18:51












  • $begingroup$
    @JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 6 at 14:38










  • $begingroup$
    Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 6 at 15:30














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$begingroup$

Suppose we have a classical ellipse with its two foci and major axis given. We want to prove that it's a squashed circle.



Select a coordinate system with its origin in the center if the ellipse, the $x$-axis passing through the foci, and a scale such that the common sum-of-distances-to-the-foci is $2$. The foci have coordinates $(pm c,0)$ for some $cin[0,1)$.



By considering the nodes at the end of the minor axis we find that the semiminor axis of the ellipse must be $b=sqrt{1-c^2}$. We must then prove that the equations
$$ tag{1} x^2 + left(frac{y}{sqrt{1-c^2}}right)^2 = 1 $$
$$ tag{2} sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2} + sqrt{(x-c)^2+y^2} = 2 $$
are equivalent.



Rearranging (1) gives
$$tag{1'} y^2 = (1-c^2)(1-x^2) $$
and therefore $(x+c)^2+y^2 = (1+xc)^2$ by multiplying out each side and collecting terms. Similarly, $(x-c)^2+y^2=(1-xc)^2$. So for points where (1) holds, (2) reduces to $(1+xc)+(1-xc)=2$, which is of course true.



Thus every solution of (1) is a solution of (2). On the other hand, for every fixed $xin(-1,1)$, it is clear that the left-hand-side of (2) increases monotonically with $|y|$ so it can have at most two solutions, which must then be exactly the two solutions for $y$ we get from (1'). (And neither equation has solutions with $|x|>1$). So the equations are indeed equivalent.





Conversely, if we have a squashed circle with major and minor axes $2a$ and $2b$, we can find the focal distance $2c$ by $c^2+b^2=a^2$ and locate the foci on the major axis. Then the above argument shows that the classical ellipse with these foci coincides with our squashed circle.






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Suppose we have a classical ellipse with its two foci and major axis given. We want to prove that it's a squashed circle.



Select a coordinate system with its origin in the center if the ellipse, the $x$-axis passing through the foci, and a scale such that the common sum-of-distances-to-the-foci is $2$. The foci have coordinates $(pm c,0)$ for some $cin[0,1)$.



By considering the nodes at the end of the minor axis we find that the semiminor axis of the ellipse must be $b=sqrt{1-c^2}$. We must then prove that the equations
$$ tag{1} x^2 + left(frac{y}{sqrt{1-c^2}}right)^2 = 1 $$
$$ tag{2} sqrt{(x+c)^2+y^2} + sqrt{(x-c)^2+y^2} = 2 $$
are equivalent.



Rearranging (1) gives
$$tag{1'} y^2 = (1-c^2)(1-x^2) $$
and therefore $(x+c)^2+y^2 = (1+xc)^2$ by multiplying out each side and collecting terms. Similarly, $(x-c)^2+y^2=(1-xc)^2$. So for points where (1) holds, (2) reduces to $(1+xc)+(1-xc)=2$, which is of course true.



Thus every solution of (1) is a solution of (2). On the other hand, for every fixed $xin(-1,1)$, it is clear that the left-hand-side of (2) increases monotonically with $|y|$ so it can have at most two solutions, which must then be exactly the two solutions for $y$ we get from (1'). (And neither equation has solutions with $|x|>1$). So the equations are indeed equivalent.





Conversely, if we have a squashed circle with major and minor axes $2a$ and $2b$, we can find the focal distance $2c$ by $c^2+b^2=a^2$ and locate the foci on the major axis. Then the above argument shows that the classical ellipse with these foci coincides with our squashed circle.







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  • $begingroup$
    Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 5 at 18:51












  • $begingroup$
    @JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 6 at 14:38










  • $begingroup$
    Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 6 at 15:30


















  • $begingroup$
    Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 5 at 18:51












  • $begingroup$
    @JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning Makholm
    Jan 6 at 14:38










  • $begingroup$
    Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
    $endgroup$
    – Joshua Ronis
    Jan 6 at 15:30
















$begingroup$
Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
$endgroup$
– Joshua Ronis
Jan 5 at 18:51






$begingroup$
Awesome algebraic explanation! However, do you think there's a way to better see this connection geometrically? To somehow see that if we stretch a circle, there will be two points whose sum of the distances to any point on the ellipse will be a constant? I've been trying to come up with one and haven't been able to. Thank you!
$endgroup$
– Joshua Ronis
Jan 5 at 18:51














$begingroup$
@JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
Jan 6 at 14:38




$begingroup$
@JoshuaRonis: If I had a good geometric proof, I wouldn't have needed to rely on mindless formula-crunching here.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
Jan 6 at 14:38












$begingroup$
Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
$endgroup$
– Joshua Ronis
Jan 6 at 15:30




$begingroup$
Haha okay I'm asking in a bunch of forums and trying to find one myself, I'll post here if I do
$endgroup$
– Joshua Ronis
Jan 6 at 15:30


















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